Fallen Priests and Sacraments

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annad347 said:
Or I can just take my chances with God… He’s never confusing.
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sounded very evangelical to me (and other things I’ve seen in other threads by you as well seem like you came from that background). It sounds an awful lot like calling ones gut feelings the leading of the Spirit. I’m not sure how one can say that in all seriousness without some sort of apparition and a miraculous sign. Or even with them. Everyone has gut feelings. How is one supposed to know it’s God?

Is your plan to be led by God rather than read the catechism?
 
annad347 said:
First, I would never do that. Second, I couldn’t do that.
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But isn’t that precisely what you’re doing, when you accuse priests of “being in a constant state of mortal sin”? 🤔
annad347 said:
Because I use the words constant state of mortal sin you think I’m judging?
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That’s precisely what “judging” means, Anna! It means passing judgment on a person’s soul and their eternal judgment! And, what you’re saying here is “that guy is going to hell, precisely because he’s ‘in a constant state of mortal sin’ with ‘no intent to reform’”!!!
annad347 said:
To me a fallen priest is someone who is always in sin. Someone who never repentance.
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See what I mean? You’re literally saying what I’m pointing out to you!
annad347 said:
so please, explain to me, what’s a fallen priest?
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It depends on how you want to use that definition. I’d say that a ‘fallen priest’ is the same as a ‘fallen lay Catholic’: someone who sins. And that would mean that it’s equivalent to “all of us”.

If, on the other hand, you mean “someone who sins mortally and does not repent”, then my response is that this is an unhelpful definition, since one may never validly apply it to a person. We just don’t know the state of anyone’s soul, since there are only two ways to know that:
  • absolutely, by looking at the person’s soul directly; only God can do that
  • relatively, by knowing whether the person has repented and been absolved; since this is in the “internal forum” and not public knowledge, only the person and his confessor know that. Moreover, the confessor only knows it in the context of the most recent reception of the sacrament, and cannot speak with certainty about what might have transpired since the absolution was given!
So, if you want to use “fallen priest” to mean “unforgiven and not contrite”, then you have to admit that you’ll never be able to use that definition in any reasonable way.
 
Look up I said I stand correct… all you had to do was say a fallen priest was a dead priest. I probably never would have said anything after that… but then I shoud have asked someone to define a fallen priest.

Again, I stand corrected. I was judging… you were right.

A dead priest cant perform sacraments.
 
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Because what you said sounds like you intend to rely on your feelings rather than reading to learn Church teaching. If so it’s a bad idea. Ones gut feelings are not the fullness of the faith. A reliance on ones feelings rather than Church teaching is unlikely to lead one to eternal joy.
 
I would expect they would. It’s a fairly novel concept in Christian history.
 
Leaving my fate solely to God is sounding better and better, then.
 
Trusting God and trusting the Church He gave to teach us are not incompatible, but necessary. Trusting yourself and calling it God is a recipe for disaster. You have my prayers.
 
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MiserereMeiDei said:
Trusting yourself and calling it God is a recipe for disaster.
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Didn’t say I trusted myself and called it God. I said… “Or, I can just take my chances with God… He’s never confusing” and “Leaving my fate solely to God is sounding better and better, then.”

Didnt say anything about placing my trust in my own hands, and calling it God… why would I, I dont trust myself any more then I trust anyone else.

Yes, I know that goes against the teachings of the Catholic church, but I’m still questioning the teaching of your church… right now I can only place my trust in God. Not me, God… Not man, God.
 
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To ignore the teachings of God’s Church and trust one’s gut is not trusting God, even if that’s what one calls it. I don’t know that’s what you are doing and I’m not saying it is, but it is what I understand from what you wrote. If I’m wrong and you do intend to read the catechism, either of Trent or another Catholic catechism, then I stand corrected. But what you wrote sounds like one dowsing for water rather than going to the source.
 
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That’s not what I’m doing. Besides didnt you say I cant trust my feelings
 
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Since you appear to wish to keep it a secret I won’t press the issue further as I’ve made my point. I’ll continue to pray for you. May Jesus and Mary watch over you.
 
MiserereMeiDei said:
Since you appear to wish to keep it a secret
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I’m not keeping anything a secret,

You said… To ignore the teachings of God’s Church and trust one’s gut is not trusting God, Then asked if that’s what I was doing?.

I said I’m not, meaning I’m not ignoring God’s Church and trusting my guts. If I was doing that I wouldn’t make every effort to go to church and bible classes to learn as much as I can, by rearrainge my work schedule every week. I know you dont know but it’s not always an easy task… grant it I go to 2 different churches but it works out every week. That’s not just my doing.

If I was going to go with my guts, I’d get a lot more sleep.
 
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I understand the practice of confession and there is no such thing as a fallen priest cause their dead. Someone who died without God doesn’t exist… IMO.

I dont want to be accused of judging so I’m not directly asking,but there is one question no one answered and I was wondering if anyone could figure out which it is and if they can, please answer it… I dont think it was answered.
 
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Because I’ll be accused of judging…its posted so if someone can find it then they can answer it because they understand why I asked it and not think I’m judging.

If not maybe it’s not that important and doesn’t need to be asked again.
 
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As you will. I certainly don’t feel like going on an easter egg hunt and it’s clearly not that important to you.
 
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