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Borknagar said:
If God exists then free will is a myth. This hypothetical timeless being would have a non linear existence. It would be aware of past present and future and exist in all of them at the same time. That means that this God already knows how everyone is going to live their entire lives. This God would have to have known that Hitler was going to be responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and yet still chose to create him. The same thing goes for every human that inflicts suffering on others. God already knew they were going to hurt others but chose to create them anyway. This places the blame for all human suffering on God and no other. It’s a good thing he doesn’t exist, he’d have alot to atone for.
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What you said here does not support your first sentence. Why would free will be a myth?
 
Borknagar said:
If God exists then free will is a myth. This hypothetical timeless being would have a non linear existence. It would be aware of past present and future and exist in all of them at the same time. That means that this God already knows how everyone is going to live their entire lives. This God would have to have known that Hitler was going to be responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and yet still chose to create him. The same thing goes for every human that inflicts suffering on others. God already knew they were going to hurt others but chose to create them anyway. This places the blame for all human suffering on God and no other. It’s a good thing he doesn’t exist, he’d have alot to atone for.
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The omniscience of God does not necessarily negate free will. Just because God knows a creature will act in a certain way, it does not necessarily follow that the creature is being forced to act in that way. You are reasoning from a false dichotomy. God can be omniscient and omnipotent and still create a being with free will.

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Robert
 
I can know with relative certainty that you would do something (given a situation with choices available). This does not mean that you’re not free to choose it, even though I know you’re going to. Your favorite ice cream is chocolate and you don’t like vanilla. You go to an ice cream stand where there are only those two choices. I know what you’re going to choose, but just because I know this it does not affect your free will.
 
So God creates people he knows are going to be murderers and then sends them to suffer for eternity for behaving in the way that he mad them. What a sick bastard.
 
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So God creates people he knows are going to be murderers and then sends them to suffer for eternity for behaving in the way that he mad[e] them. (Explitive deleted)
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I think that evil is always a possible outcome where free will is concerned. And God does not make people to be evil so they can suffer in Hell. God creates us to freely love Him and keep His commandments in this life so that we may fully know Him and be with Him forever in Heaven after this life. A sad fact of free will is that we are never forced to love God and keep His commandments. We can freely choose to do evil - contrary to God’s will - thereby living our life in opposition to Him. If that is what we choose in this life, God allows that separation to continue eternally, because He does not force love. The happy message of the Gospel is that God gives all of us the grace to freely choose to repent, change our evil ways and reconcile our relationship with God through the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. The Gospel message is one of love and mercy because God is a loving God.

What you seem to suggest is that God should make us incapable of anything but love for him, so we can all be with HIm in Heaven forever. The problem is that for love to be true it must be freely given and not forced. Forcing love from someone is not real love but a form of rape - which is entirely contrary to a loving God who WANTS, but will never FORCE our love - even in the afterlife. If we ultimately reject God, He will not force us to be with Him, but instead honors that rejection.

Peace,
Robert
 
Allah has given man the freedom of choice, and has shown him both, the path of guidance, and the path of deviation through the Messengers that He sent to mankind throughout the ages,

As for him who chooses the path of deviation, neglecting the acts of worship, and committing the prohibitions, he is thus an unbeliever. Each of them will receive his requital on the Day he will meet his Rubb when the records of deeds will be displayed. Allah says:
So whoever does good equal to the weight of an ant shall see it and whoever does evil equal to the weight of an ant shall see it.

As I mentioned before, based on this gift that Allah has granted man; which is one of the greatest, i.e., the freedom of choice, and after subjugating for him the land, the sea, the night and the day, Allah has commanded man to worship Him alone, and has forbidden him to ascribe partners to Him, and has promised him in return great rewards for his obedience.

Among the promised rewards are the following:
  1. Allowing man to benefit from the signs of Allah that are scattered throughout the universe proving the fact that Allah is the true God Who deserves to be worshipped.
  2. The ability to lead a fear-free life in this world, and to render sound his state of affairs.
 
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