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Have we finally become so consumed with making thee almighty dollar, so intrenched in commercialism and materialism that we totally turned our backs on Almighty God,
His laws, and our fellow man?
 
I’m sorry, but your question is too general to be answered. Could you be more specific as to whom you are addressing your question and why? Thank you. 🙂
 
It seems the only place that people are filling churches are in poor places where more people than not, recognize that God is very active in their lives. Even though He is always active in our lives, we just are not open to Him

It appears when things are going smoothly, God doesn’t get any credit for the good things He provides, but if the Twin Towers are attacked, our churches fill up…only to once again fall back into apathy…

So while consumerism may be a part of the problem, I also believe it is a personal decision to accept relativism, secularism as the new God in some people’s lives, rather than turn to the God who was, is and still will be the very same for all eternity! More reasons to pray!
 
Well, in general i think people work for things instead of for a living. Stuff seems to be the goal of life. A nice house, two cars, two kids, music lessons, computer, etc. Trade in your car every 2 years or so if you don’t like the color. Pay someone to raise your kids because if you don’t have two incomes, you can’t afford to buy them toys to compensate for not raising them yourselves.
Yeah, God has been replaced by gods of materialism in this nation. But not by everyone.
 
I’m sorry, but your question is too general to be answered. Could you be more specific as to whom you are addressing your question and why? Thank you. 🙂
I was just trying to ask a very simple question. We have become so caught up with things, I believe we are taking our eyes off the things that really matter. Love of God, first and above all else, but also family life has suffered and it seems to me that people just can’t get enough of things. I have two teenage kids, I love them and give them what they need, but I make sure not to spoil them. The way materialism is getting out of control I can’t even imagine what it will be like for their kids.
 
I was just trying to ask a very simple question. We have become so caught up with things, I believe we are taking our eyes off the things that really matter. Love of God, first and above all else, but also family life has suffered and it seems to me that people just can’t get enough of things. I have two teenage kids, I love them and give them what they need, but I make sure not to spoil them. The way materialism is getting out of control I can’t even imagine what it will be like for their kids.
Greed is a very ancient vice. It’s going to be with us until Christ returns because fallen humanity will go on selfishly pursuing its own desires. All we can do is teach our own people to value love above gold and savlation above getting the things the world thinks important. A life dedicated to living the Gospel is the only cure. Isn’t that so?
 
I was just trying to ask a very simple question. WE have become so caught up with things, I believe WE are taking our eyes off the things that really matter. Love of God, first and above all else, but also family life has suffered and it seems to me that PEOPLE just can’t get enough of things. I have two teenage kids, I love them and give them what they need, but I make sure not to spoil them. The way materialism is getting out of control I can’t even imagine what it will be like for their kids.
Putting materialism under control starts with
me, not us. When you find out how to put materialism
under control, you might not be able to tell anyone here,
because you might not have a computer with internet.
 
Putting materialism under control starts with
me, not us. When you find out how to put materialism
under control, you might not be able to tell anyone here,
because you might not have a computer with internet.
First: Just because I own a computer does not mean that I am materialistic. In todays world it’s just like having a phone. Second: I’m not pointing fingers at anyone, just making a point. Anyone who can honestly say that materialism is not out of control is just not being honest with themselves.
Third: I have never been and will never be a materialistic person. I grew up in a large family that was about family not things. I have acquired some things through hard work, but things don’t control my life. I’m not speaking for anyone else, but my treasure is not the things of this world but things of God.
 
Well, in general i think people work for things instead of for a living. Stuff seems to be the goal of life. A nice house, two cars, two kids, music lessons, computer, etc. Trade in your car every 2 years or so if you don’t like the color. Pay someone to raise your kids because if you don’t have two incomes, you can’t afford to buy them toys to compensate for not raising them yourselves.
Yeah, God has been replaced by gods of materialism in this nation. But not by everyone.
i totally agree… Children should be raised by their parents and the state is interfering too much in families already through the public schools… The Mason “religion” can be in the schools but not Christianity.

But in any case, i am a newcomer to this forum… & can’t find my way… I was looking to write about this one issue that is bothering me: On this other Christian site, a guy said this: that God knows everything that’s going to happen in the future. How can that be if we are given free will? I believe that God gives us choices every step of the way in life. No, i don’t believe that, i KNOW that. I don’t have a problem with God “not knowing” the future (choosing not to know) in order to allow us total free will. I am disturbed that ministers are teaching the false belief of predestination. I have never actually heard a Catholic show deal with this subject (Of course, i don’t listen to them all…). I just wish people would stop putting this predestination thing out as gospel truth. It is absolutely absurd to me… I’m sure the Catholic Church officially condemns the belief… just wish i could find the document that says so… will now go home & look in catechism… God bless and please respond. thanks
 
i totally agree… Children should be raised by their parents and the state is interfering too much in families already through the public schools… The Mason “religion” can be in the schools but not Christianity.

But in any case, i am a newcomer to this forum… & can’t find my way… I was looking to write about this one issue that is bothering me: On this other Christian site, a guy said this: that God knows everything that’s going to happen in the future. How can that be if we are given free will? I believe that God gives us choices every step of the way in life. No, i don’t believe that, i KNOW that. I don’t have a problem with God “not knowing” the future (choosing not to know) in order to allow us total free will. I am disturbed that ministers are teaching the false belief of predestination. I have never actually heard a Catholic show deal with this subject (Of course, i don’t listen to them all…). I just wish people would stop putting this predestination thing out as gospel truth. It is absolutely absurd to me… I’m sure the Catholic Church officially condemns the belief… just wish i could find the document that says so… will now go home & look in catechism… God bless and please respond. thanks
The future, and the events of the future are based on the decisions that we humans make each day. I believe as you do that God has blessed us with free will to live our lives as we choose. He gave us the Ten Commandments for guidance to follow His will. He did not make us robots, but instead allows us to choose Him freely with love in our hearts.
Just an example, in the apparitions in Fatima and other places approved by the Church, the Blessed Mother has asked us to amend our lives so we could have peace in our hearts and in the world. We have the power to bring about positive change in our personal lives and also in the world. This will only be possible if we exercise the gift that a loving God has intrusted to each of us, our free will.

God Bless You
 
i totally agree… Children should be raised by their parents and the state is interfering too much in families already through the public schools… The Mason “religion” can be in the schools but not Christianity.

But in any case, i am a newcomer to this forum… & can’t find my way… I was looking to write about this one issue that is bothering me: On this other Christian site, a guy said this: that God knows everything that’s going to happen in the future. How can that be if we are given free will? I believe that God gives us choices every step of the way in life. No, i don’t believe that, i KNOW that. I don’t have a problem with God “not knowing” the future (choosing not to know) in order to allow us total free will. I am disturbed that ministers are teaching the false belief of predestination. I have never actually heard a Catholic show deal with this subject (Of course, i don’t listen to them all…). I just wish people would stop putting this predestination thing out as gospel truth. It is absolutely absurd to me… I’m sure the Catholic Church officially condemns the belief… just wish i could find the document that says so… will now go home & look in catechism… God bless and please respond. thanks
What the Church does not believe in is double predestination, which means God determines our fate so that we have no free will.

God can know the future without dictating our fate, though. You have to remember that God exists outside time and space. It is something like a mom watching her child on a merry-go-round. She is standing back and so sees the whole picture of the merry-go-round as it whirls, carrying her child along with it. Our merry-go-round is time and space. God sees and knows all but he doesn’t make our decisions for us–he only sees the consequences of our decisions. Does that help?
 
Have we finally become so consumed with making thee almighty dollar, so intrenched in commercialism and materialism that we totally turned our backs on Almighty God,
His laws, and our fellow man?
No
 
False gods take many forms. As I see it, anything we turn to for guidance or help other than our Catholic practices is a false god. The biggest example I cite is the tendency of so many people to turn to government to solve all of their problems.

My wife and I have done quite a lot of volunteer work with the local high school over the years. We have seen so many young ladies become pregnant, and the first action of their parents was to put them on welfare. Forget God, forget family, forget community, turn to government to take care of all the problems.

Materialism can also be a false god when the pursuit of extravagent luxuries causes a total disregard for those truly in need. I see nothing wrong with having a comfortable home to raise your family in, a reliable car, vacations to help build family memories.

I don’t have any brilliant, all encompasing words of wisdom to share with you. However, since you have asked the question, I would like to say I think you are sincerely trying to do the right thing by God, and I applaud you for it.

God bless.
 
Have we finally become so consumed with making thee almighty dollar, so intrenched in commercialism and materialism that we totally turned our backs on Almighty God,
His laws, and our fellow man?
if i understamd your statement correctly, your saying that money has become a god to us? indeed, that has happened in almost every country on earth, no one country is immune to the attraction of materialism or commercialism. man is also not immune to materialism and commercialism.

iam not immune either. i’d like to have nice things, but i do not let my wants become my desire. i focus my life on God and my faith and my marriage. I try my best to follow in the footsteps of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

If we all followed Christ more closely, and put our desires of material things out of our lives and walked more closely with Christ, we would not worry about money becoming our god.

That being said, there are millions of faithful Christians around the world. look at a fine example of faith, Mother Teresa of Calcutta, and others. Our priests, and so on, and the laity.

Look how humble Jesus lived and is and was. Look at other fine examples of saints for example, Saint Francis, he came from a well to do family, and he gave it up and became a saint.

Look at others such as Saint Therese, her family was not poor, and she became a much loved nun, and she is also a saint. of course, it does not take a saint to embrace Christ and to walk with Him now does it?

These are only examples of people who were from well to do families, and they gaveit all up for God. We can do the same thing. For some it is easy, for others, it is hard. for me, it is not hard at all.

my family was the furthest from rich that you could imagine, and not one of us is materially inclined, even though some of us own our own homes and a car. The homes are a home and the car is a car, it does not become the newer and better and got to have car. we own them to get around, and surely speaking, i think any member of my family would give it all up in a heartbeat no questions asked.

i lost everything 4 years ago with my hubby, and do i care to have everything back that we had? no. it does not matter to me. i only have the basic necessities of life, and that is good enough for me.

I try my best to walk with God everyday of my life. I try to do what pleases Jesus and not myself. now, imagine if the whole world would do the same thing?
 
What the Church does not believe in is double predestination, which means God determines our fate so that we have no free will.

God can know the future without dictating our fate, though. You have to remember that God exists outside time and space. It is something like a mom watching her child on a merry-go-round. She is standing back and so sees the whole picture of the merry-go-round as it whirls, carrying her child along with it. Our merry-go-round is time and space. God sees and knows all but he doesn’t make our decisions for us–he only sees the consequences of our decisions. Does that help?
Actually, its weird because it kind of helps and kind of confuses me even more… How can he know the future without dictating our fate?
I am not confused about whether predestination is true - i know its not. i guess i am mostly confused as to how anyone who has read even a fraction of the Bible can believe in it and teach/preach others 2 believe in it… I don’t know where they come up with such a belief - As Spock would say, its “illogical”. I guess they can’t reconcile the concept of God’s omnipotence (that He knows everything) with the concept of Him giving us total free will. So they come up with something that sounds logical (but definitely is not). As far as the end of the world and the anti-Christ… God knows many will reject Him and that the anti-Christ can (but will???) come to power. But if the anti-Christ were a human being, he COULD change his mind and choose, in the end, not to go through with his plans, right??? I don’t believe God would deliberately create a human being he KNEW would definitely end up in Hell… That’s what tends to confuse me… though maybe i’m not as confused as i think… In any case, the catechism confirmed me on this. Its in 1740- (?). It is beautiful what the catechism says. Its so amazing what Protestants believe. I hope all you Catholics out there make it a priority to teach the true Catholic faith 2 every Protestant u meet - Difficult but not impossible… U will get persecuted 4 doing so, but Jesus prophesied that we would… just like He was… God bless. Please respond. Thanks.
 
I was very spoiled and had lots of stuff. My own computer, tv, video games, etc. My parents divorced so they had to compete over us and my dad worked 70 hours a week. The solution to us fighting over the tv or the computer was to buy another one. It was just easier to buy us enough stuff to keep us separated and occupied rather than discipline us. As a result, neither me nor my brother or sister care to be around each other and we still try to avoid each other when possible. None of us are grateful enough for all that was given to us. I also am not happy with how selfish I have become in general and have to continuously work on changing the bad habbits and values I developed. However, it would be hypocritic for me to complain. I still depend on my dad financially and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle in college thanks to him. And since I am not ready to give them up yet, I think I will get a job that enables me to make enough money to maintain my life of luxury. (I’m going to law school next year but my dad, while wealthy, can’t afford to pay for that so I have to get loans). I do respect the other side though and think it is wonderful that some people are happy with less and have nice families. In fact, I’ve seen a couple familes which based on those experiences almost convince me that type of lifestyle is better.
 
Actually, its weird because it kind of helps and kind of confuses me even more… How can he know the future without dictating our fate?Please respond. Thanks.
Here’s a long quote from an essay I wrote on Christian disunity and free will/ pred. I don’t know if it will help. It’s just my take on things:

On Christian Disunity and Free Will, Predestination:
This leads us to the third argument, disputing the pessimists’ one-sided arguments with “free will.” Again, the pessimists argue that, because of free will, there will always be some evil. In a similar vein, the pessimists respond to the OT typology argument we made in a previous essay with, “Granted, God was able to convert the Jews in the Old Covenant from an intermediate apostasy, but, it is ultimately up to man’s free will whether this will occur with the Gentiles in the New Covenant.” Again, this ignores the fact that free will is just one side of the same coin, the other side of which is predestination. I could elaborate on this with a discussion I had with a priest in the local area who put on a Q&A session with a Catholic youth group. In the course of the discussion, somehow the subject of God’s Plan came up, and the priest simply said something to the effect of, “I don’t really think there’s a ‘Plan.’ You simply have free will. God has given you gifts and talents, and so He just puts you in the world and says, ‘Here, do something with your gifts. It’s completely up to you.’ There really is no Plan.” Many of the students were surprised. At the conclusion, as everyone was leaving, I commented to Glen, the other leader, “You know, Glen, regarding what Father said about ‘free will and the Plan,’ I think it’s a little bit of both, not either/or.” Glen agreed and passed this on to everyone as they left. Similarly, there is perhaps the humorous wisdom of Forest Gump. There was that touching scene where Forest stood at the grave of his mother and was perusing about “fate” and “free will,” and, towards the end, he finally chokes out through his tears, “You know, Mama, I think it’s a little bit of both.” Authentically, I think that is the Catholic position: there is both free will *and *predestination, or, associatedly, a “Plan.”

Allow me to elaborate. As you should know, Catholicism teaches dogmatically that man is free, but also that there is predestination. The full reconciliation of these principles is, to some extent, unsettled in Catholic theology. Hence, we have the competing factions of Thomists and Molinists. The Thomists, in their analysis, emphasize God’s Sovereignty, whereas the Molinists emphasize man’s free will. I learned from an expert at EWTN that in somewhere around the sixteenth or seventeenth century, there was a debate in the Church regarding these issues, and the pope of the time told the factions not to disturb the peace of the Church. I personally am convinced that it is probably again a “both/and” situation, as opposed to an “either/or.” That is, the reconciliation of Thomism and Molinism is probably a mystery that we will never fully understand.

At any rate, orthodox Catholic theologians must admit, with regards to predestination, both a predestination to Heaven and Hell, however, the types differ. Specifically, predestination to Heaven is by God’s Ordained Will, whereas predestination to Hell is by God’s Permissive Will. That is, God has positively ordained that the elect will inherit eternal life, whereas, as we saw in the introductory essay of this series, God has merely foreseen and permitted, not ordained, that the damned will end in eternal ruin. Further, if it is true that the elects’ salvation is predestined and ordained, then it must also be true, by way of implication, that every cooperation of the individual with God’s grace is ordained. This is ultimately because it is only by cooperation with the grace of God that the person is saved to begin with. But, then, this would also have to imply that the historical cooperations with grace are also predestined, referring especially to the major Redemptive episodes of Salvation History. That is, the reversion of the Jews to the Old Covenant after the Babylonian Exile was not an accident but ordained by God, just as the conversion of Europe to Catholicism was not an accident but was a part of God’s Plan. In a similar vein, so also are the major episodes of sinful resistance predestined, again, by God’s Permissive Will, in order that, as we have seen, He might draw a greater good from them through Redemption. Hence, in a sense, the whole of Salvation History is part of God’s Plan: the bad stages by God’s permission, and the good stages by God’s ordination. That is, we are still free, but God has foreseen what we will do with our freedom and has a Plan to counteract and redeem the times when we fall and make a mess of things.



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Consequently, it is incorrect to say that whether or not the Gentiles are restored to faith, as were the Jews, is completely up to man and not God, for, again, there is both free will and predestination. Hence, if the Restoration of the Jews to the Old Covenant in the intermediate stage of their history was predestined, why would God not predestine a similar restoration of faith for the Gentiles as well? Hence, the pessimist’s position that the Gentiles will not be spiritually healed of this current falling away would imply that God somehow prefers the Jews to the Gentiles. Secondly, it would also mean that the Redemption in the Old Covenant was *more *efficacious than the New, despite the fact that the Old Covenant gave neither the fullness of Revelation nor the fullness of grace. That is, it would imply that God was able to restore the Old Covenant with the Jews, with its lack of fullness, but that He was not able to do so for the Gentiles in the New Covenant, where the fullness has been given.
 
I was very spoiled and had lots of stuff. My own computer, tv, video games, etc. My parents divorced so they had to compete over us and my dad worked 70 hours a week. The solution to us fighting over the tv or the computer was to buy another one. It was just easier to buy us enough stuff to keep us separated and occupied rather than discipline us. As a result, neither me nor my brother or sister care to be around each other and we still try to avoid each other when possible. None of us are grateful enough for all that was given to us. I also am not happy with how selfish I have become in general and have to continuously work on changing the bad habbits and values I developed. However, it would be hypocritic for me to complain. I still depend on my dad financially and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle in college thanks to him. And since I am not ready to give them up yet, I think I will get a job that enables me to make enough money to maintain my life of luxury. (I’m going to law school next year but my dad, while wealthy, can’t afford to pay for that so I have to get loans). I do respect the other side though and think it is wonderful that some people are happy with less and have nice families. In fact, I’ve seen a couple familes which based on those experiences almost convince me that type of lifestyle is better.
 
It is dangerous to be overly attached 2 or comfortable with material possessions. A person can easily fall into idolatry and put those things over God, even without fully realizing it. Tomorrow is promised to no one and whatever unhealthy attachments we have in this life have to be dealt with in the next, in Purgatory (or worse)… We have to be purified of sin, selfishness, etc., to enter Heaven. I see hope in what you say - that at least you are working on this… I have read many books on Purgatory (visions of the saints, etc.) and it is a painful place. We are better off to detach from worldly things/people in this life, where it can do our souls good and also be applied to the sanctification of the souls of others. It has been said that a person who waits till Purgatory to be purified is like someone paying a million dollars for what he could have gotten for a penny…

Jesus said if your right eye offends you, pluck it out…

Sometimes material blessings are actually a curse in disguise…

God bless. We all have our crosses to bear…
 
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