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why did Jesus tell his disciples to carry a sword?..
there are clear examples of the apostles (guided by God) judging people
Indeed! The practice of suttee was stopped because it was deemed abhorrent… even though it had a ‘religious’ setting and was long practiced.

We should, I suppose, deplore those interferring Christians who protected women from being burnt
 
I’ve heard people here say that those who deny Jesus will not be admitted to heaven. So my question was suppose those who accept Jesus are wrong? Do you think God would bar you from heaven? Saying “I’m not wrong” doesn’t answer the question.
I guess my answer would be no, God would not bar me from heaven. Only I can cause myself not to get into heaven.

Now, what if, the Father and the Son are One, like we Christians believe and we are right. Do you think you will get to heaven for denying that Christ as God in the flesh?
 
I know this is off subject, but what I cant understand is, Jesus, the son of God, HAS been on earth, performed miracles, spread the word of his father, yet, only a few 100 years later, a new ‘religion’ is born and there is more than a billion followers today :confused:
And yet, these people do not see Jesus as the son of God and have turned him into a mere prophet. Yet there is doctrines written about Jesus to prove who he was…🤷
Not that I need proof to know that Jesus is the son of God, I just feel it in my heart :love:
 
I believe that the most heartfelt and true prayer, in every sense of the word, would be the manner in which how all the Prophets (pbut) themselves prayed to their Creator as explained here.

When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous prophets of Allah. You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the prophets (including Jesus, pbuh) prayed:

Genesis 17:3 “And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,”

Genesis 17:17 “Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?”

Exodus 34:8 “And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.”

Numbers 16:20-22 “And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?”

Joshua 5:14 “And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?”

Ezekiel 9:8 “And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?”

2 Chronicles 20:18 “And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD.”

Ezekiel 11:13 “And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?”

Matthew 17:6 “And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.”

Matthew 26:39 “And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

And if the Prophets themselves prayed in such a fashion, then this surely means that any other form of prayer would be decidedly of a much lower order.
 
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These quotes have been taken out of text and misused incorrectly.
Have you actually read the WHOLE passages you have taken them out from?
Maybe you should read the bible and stop quoting things from it that is not meant to be quoted the way you have done so.
 
I just do not believe that these Biblical verses indicating how the Prophets (pbut) prayed have been taken out of context in any way, shape or form.

If indeed the true meanings of these said verses have been taken out of context from the passages of the Bible that they are found in, then kindly show me how so?
 
I know this is off subject, but what I cant understand is, Jesus, the son of God, HAS been on earth, performed miracles, spread the word of his father, yet, only a few 100 years later, a new ‘religion’ is born and there is more than a billion followers today :confused:
And yet, these people do not see Jesus as the son of God and have turned him into a mere prophet. Yet there is doctrines written about Jesus to prove who he was…
Not that I need proof to know that Jesus is the son of God, I just feel it in my heart
When Islam burst out of Arabia it did so just when the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire were near exhausted following a 30 year war.

Persia fell immediately to Islam, the Roman Empire almost fell too - loosing large areas (Nth Africa and Egypt, the Holy Land etc)
 
I believe that the most heartfelt and true prayer, in every sense of the word, would be the manner in which how all the Prophets themselves prayed to their Creator as explained here.
It’s not simply a matter of manner and a following of fashion.

I feel you’ve in fact missed the point of Jesus’ words in the OP
 
I just do not believe that these Biblical verses indicating how the Prophets prayed have been taken out of context in any way, shape or form.
They are because even if you follow the form of a prayer, the whole point is the reason for the prayer. You pray to a being that is not god - one you call a god - Al-lah

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Simply crying out “Lord, Lord” is not enough. You must also do the ‘will of my Father’
If indeed the true meanings of these said verses have been taken out of context from the passages of the Bible that they are found in, then kindly show me how so?
Glad to have obliged.
 
Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Muslims are not the ones who are calling out ‘Lord, Lord’ to Jesus (pbuh) and there is just no room for any doubt whatsoever about the faith that is practiced by the people whom the Bible is giving a dire warning to in this verse.
 
Muslims are not the ones who are calling out ‘Lord, Lord’ to Jesus and there is just no room for any doubt whatsoever about the faith that is practiced by the people whom the Bible is giving a dire warning to in this verse.
Even if we restrict this to one of God the Father, you’ve still missed the point.

Imagine if you would I cried out “Lord have mercy on me” as I killed school children as I invaded their classroom. The mere fact that I cried out a prayer won’t negate the evil act.

Simply praying is not enough. One has to follow the will of God.

Thus you’ve missed the point by pointing out that you believe you simply follow the form of prayer.

Thus even if you think you follow the true form of the prayer - e.g. prostrating yourself, etc, you’re missing the point.😊
 
Thanks for replying for me Mont.
Im sick of having to justify everything and prove everything we say when they know damn straight they take things out of the bible to suit their purposes
 
Thanks for replying for me Mont.
Im sick of having to justify everything and prove everything we say when they know damn straight they take things out of the bible to suit their purposes
Some people think that being Christian is simply praying. It’s a way of life.

Therefore merely ‘believing’ in Jesus is not being Christian. For even the Dalai Lama says he ‘believes’ that Jesus was a great man
 
In christianity we are adopted sons and daughters - although people do kneel and on occasion prostrate themselves (completely rather than the Mohammedan way) to God.
There are so many Biblical verses that condemn Islam, we can be sure that Islam is not related to Christianity or Judaism. It is chalk and cheese.
Jesus gave us a model of prayer - do any Mohammedans pray the Lord’s Prayer? Do any Mohammedans use a prayer shawl? Does the passage about the Lord’s prayer mention posture? NO.
 
In christianity we are adopted sons and daughters - although people do kneel and on occasion prostrate themselves (completely rather than the Mohammedan way) to God.
There are so many Biblical verses that condemn Islam, we can be sure that Islam is not related to Christianity or Judaism. It is chalk and cheese.
What he’s arguing…
It’s like saying that just 'cause Satanists have a ‘mass’ that they’re similar to Catholics

I mean, they say it in Latin, too!:eek:
 
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