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PRmerger
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Yep. That seems odd to me, given the lateness of your religion.
Fair enough.
It’s just a curiosity to me that your religion wouldn’t have at least a dozen of them.
Just sayin’…
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PRmerger
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You should ask the Jews that. Our last prophet was John the Baptist, and his job was to herald the presence of the Christ.
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Servant19
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Thank you I understand this PR
You must also understand that Baha’u’llah is the first Person of the Trinity, the Father, and there is no need for any prophet of any kind during His Dispensation, male, female, or animal. The Father has spoken, and has unleashed an almighty showering of grace upon humanity. Resurrected females are the hallmark of His Revelation, not female prophets…
He categorically stated that there will be no further prophets of any kind for at least a thousand years, so if you believe Him, there would be no need whatsoever for your curiosity…
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Servant19
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May I ask what the “lateness” of the religion got to do with your question and curiosity?Yep. That seems odd to me, given the lateness of your religion.
Fair enough.
It’s just a curiosity to me that your religion wouldn’t have at least a dozen of them.
Just sayin’…
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PRmerger
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How many prophets has the Bahai faith had?
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Servant19
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Just one, the Bab, who, like John the Baptist was the herald to something greater, and in this case, He was the herald to the Promised One of all religions…
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Judas_Thaddeus
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The Baha’i Faith itself since it began? ONE
TWO if you’d like to count that Bab fellow.
Other than that, just to cover everything, the Baha’i lays claim to…
*]Krishna
*]Abraham
*]Zarathustra
*]Moses
*]Buddha
*]Jesus
*]and Muhammad
I wonder why not Joseph Smith? 
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Judas_Thaddeus
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There is only one Promised One in Judaism, the Messiah, whom Christians acknowledge as Jesus Christ, and there is no other.
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Servant19
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The Baha’i Faith itself since it began? ONE
TWO if you’d like to count that Bab fellow.
Other than that, just to cover everything, the Baha’i lays claim to…
*]Krishna
*]Abraham
*]Zarathustra
*]Moses
*]Buddha
*]Jesus
*]and Muhammad
The Bahai Faith doesn’t “lay claim” to other Messengers of God! I’m really not sure what you mean here Judas?
The Bab was a Prophet.
Baha’u’llah was the “Sender of all the Messengers and the Revealer of all the Holy Books”
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PRmerger
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Okey dokey.
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Servant19
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You know very well that there is One promised after that.
He’s the one on whom the “government shall be upon His shoulder”
Jesus brought no “government” with Him, so there is another.
In Buddhism, the Promised One is the Fifth Buddha
In Zoroastrianism it is said “When a thousand two hundred and some years have passed from the inception of the religion of the Arabian [Most probably Islam and the Coming of Muhammed] and the overthrow of the kingdom of Iran and the degradation of the followers of My religion, a descendant of the Iranian kings will be raised up as a Prophet.” - ZOROASTER - Dinkird
All religions have foretold the coming of a Promised One…
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Servant19
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Hi Steve,
What I wrote was pretty much a word for word transcript of Prof Johnson’s lecture.
What it has to do with false prophets is that it clearly states the transcendence of unity over truth in the eyes of Paul for the early Corinthian community.
“Weak” position or “strong” position does not matter, as long as there is unity under righteousness.
All supposed “false prophets” have claimed the same thing, but I don’t think Christianity practices this profound reality as it should in this Age…
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Judas_Thaddeus
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I mean you claim that “Oh sure, they were true messengers also, sent from the same god as ours?”The Bahai Faith doesn’t “lay claim” to other Messengers of God! I’m really not sure what you mean here Judas?
Not like you “own” them, but you associate with them.
Was not.
SO not.
Zarathustra was a false prophet, the Buddha also, not to mention Muhammad, and Krishna isn’t even real!
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Right, because EVERYBODY loves unity.
Don’t listen to the Bible, just listen to the False Prophet who preaches UNITY!
We ought to be following the words of a dear friend of mine:
Dearly Beloved, taking all care to write unto you
concerning your common salvation, I was under
a necessity to write unto you : To beseech you
to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered
to the saints.
– (Jude 1:3)
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SteveVH
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Then you should have given him credit.
Oh my. Unit over truth? What is the point in having unity in falsehood? Both you and professor Johnson are way off the mark here. Paul preached Jesus. Jesus is Truth itself, or rather, Himself.
Christ’s Church, therefore, is called to unity in truth because it is called to unity in Christ. Here’s an example of Paul’s views on unity with those outside of the Church, i.e. non-Christians:
“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God.” (2 Cor 6:14-15)
So I ask you, Servant, based upon Paul’s words above, why would any Christian accept the words of those who deny the truth of Christ in favor of some subsequent “prophet”, whether that be Muhammad (who denies Christ’s divinity and salvific power) or Baha’u’llah who claims to be even greater than Christ? Sorry, no unity there.
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SteveVH
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But not another person; another Messiah. The same Messiah who will come again. Not a new prophet or a new manifestation. The same One, Jesus Christ. He is the fulfillment. We do not wait for or seek another. We wait for Jesus, the same person born in a stable in Bethlehem roughly 2000 years ago. It is he who will come again.
Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world.
The promised one has already come and will come again. His name is Jesus. There is no other. Those who reject Christ as God’s final revelation of himself to man are still waiting, and they will continue to wait.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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Just got home, realizing I missed this earlier:
On the government bit, the particular verse from which that comes is Isaiah 9:6, which is a prophecy about JESUS,
not another “Promised One,” who is called “Wonderful, Counselor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come,
the Prince of Peace.” Back to the government, let’s play TOTA SCRIPTURA!
What other One, I don’t think you really know.
On the government bit, the particular verse from which that comes is Isaiah 9:6, which is a prophecy about JESUS,
not another “Promised One,” who is called “Wonderful, Counselor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come,
the Prince of Peace.” Back to the government, let’s play TOTA SCRIPTURA!
- The Hebrew word “government” is (misrah) and it occurs only here and the next verse.
- Isaiah 9:7, “There will be no end to the increase of His government
or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom…” - Government was often seen as a burden by the Israelites, especially when they under subjugation to foreign powers which happened frequently in Israel’s history.
- Furthermore, government was sometimes symbolized as a key laid on someone’s shoulders.
- Isaiah 22:22, “Then I will set the key of the house of David on his shoulder, when he opens no one will shut, when he shuts no one will open.”
- The sign of a military rank is the ensign worn on the shoulder. We see this in the Navy, for example.
- But, in the context of Isaiah 9:6, it is a rebuttal to the oppressors of Israel spoken of in …
- Isaiah 9:4, “For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian.”
- So, the verse is talking about the kingly aspect of his ministry that points to the peaceful and perfect rule of Christ.
- Amillennialism?
- Premillennailsim?
- Jesus said in John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world.”
- We are called out of this world, and into the kingdom of God.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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I also found something interesting** . . . **
manufacturing-passages-from-the-zoroastrian-scriptures-then-c
ensoring-those-who-questio-them
So I pose the same challenge to you.
Here is the Dinkird/Denkard/Denkart:avesta.org/denkard/denkard.htm
Find me your passage in it.
**. . . **being suspicious of your Zoroastrian source:alt.religion.zoroastrianism.narkive.com/pcZgAZjA/bahais-
manufacturing-passages-from-the-zoroastrian-scriptures-then-c
ensoring-those-who-questio-them
So I pose the same challenge to you.
Here is the Dinkird/Denkard/Denkart:avesta.org/denkard/denkard.htm
Find me your passage in it.
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arthra
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I’ve met several Baha’is with Zoroastrian backgrounds… but see the following as it gives a detailed account:
bahai-library.com/buck_bahaullah_zoroastrian_saviour
Here Baha’u’llah responds to questions by a Zoroastrian Mánikchí Sáhib an emissary on behalf of the Parsees of India to assist their coreligionists in Iran:
reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TU/tu-4.html
bahai-library.com/buck_bahaullah_zoroastrian_saviour
Here Baha’u’llah responds to questions by a Zoroastrian Mánikchí Sáhib an emissary on behalf of the Parsees of India to assist their coreligionists in Iran:
reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TU/tu-4.html
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