False Prophets the most used comeback!

[Servant19]

Just humor me and answer the question.

How would one present a situation like that without being unfair and offering double standards?

Well its a subjective opinion PR…nothing objective about it at all…

You say going from circumcision is good, to circumcision is bad is called fulfillment.
Then you say going from Jesus is Divine to Baha’u’llah is also Divine is a contradiction, or an “undoing”…



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[PRmerger]

Wonderful!!

Wonderful?

Nope. Not wonderful at all.

You must be trying to be sarcastic here, Servant.

And sarcasm is the protest of the weak. I rarely use it.

I am totally able to distinguish between teachings and those who divorce themsleves from them.

That’s not what I orinially asked though PR, if you recall?

What I asked was, how does the Catholic Church ensure measures are in place to eliminate fully the wide gap between teachings and its expression/application in real life?

Could you please direct me to that post where you asked this?

'Cause it really sounds like in this post, to which I responded, you were saying that because Catholics do bad things, God isn’t directing the Church.

I don’t like to look at any negative things in our world, but the history of the Catholic Church (Crusades, etc) seem to indicate more help and guidance was and is required from God, directly…

Is the above your way of asking something different and I am supposed to be able to understand that?

 

[PRmerger]

Well its a subjective opinion PR…nothing objective about it at all…

You say going from circumcision is good, to circumcision is bad is called fulfillment.
Then you say going from Jesus is Divine to Baha’u’llah is also Divine is a contradiction, or an “undoing”…



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Ah, I see, then.

You cannot answer my question because you understand that there is no other way for me to present a situation as I described…except in the manner that I did.

You just don’t like the facts that it presents.

To wit: there is a religion which fulfills the Old Laws. And there is another religion which provides innovations and contradictions to the Old Laws.

 

[PRmerger]

How does the Catholic Church learn from the mistakes of some of its past leaders to ensure atrocities never happen again? What steps are being taken?

These are the steps that are being taken:

Our Church provides the Sacraments to all of its members.

To the degree that our members avail themselves of the graces which are poured out on them is the degree that it is ensured that atrocities never happen again.

To the degree that our members are duped by the Author of Lies and his minions, is the degree that atrocities are permitted to occur.

You say a system has existed for 2000 years, what is this systme that addresses humanity’s needs as I wrote above?

It’s right here:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...o7XT9zG2ikDeJMj0xuw8_MOvGkmcFELHJ-2jo_7oqzfBQ

Would that all of her members would avail themselves of the grace!

 

[Servant19]

Let’s see…

Here’s 2 quotes by you:

If a newborn is the same as a baby then are you deliberately trying to confuse us by using newborn sometimes, and sometimes *baby *to mean the same thing? Why not just say baby?

Lets look at the quote again please:

“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” - John 14:15

…we know that Helper here means “Holy Spirit”. So what Jesus is actually saying according to your understanding is:

“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you** the Holy Spirit**, to be with you forever, even the Holy Spirit, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.”

This is equivalent to me saying:

“If you break your TV, I will send you another TV to your house, even a TV…”
“When a baby is developing in the womb, it grows a nose, even a nose…”

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe others can step in and tell me that I am a fool, and God has deceived me with incorrect reading skills. I’m happy to learn and be corrected

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[Servant19]

Our Church provides the Sacraments to all of its members.

I asked about steps dear PR, not let us pray and hope. God “plans”…what is the Church’s “plan”?

I also underlined your words above. I would like to know what are the steps for those outside the Church?

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[PRmerger]

I asked about steps dear PR, not let us pray and hope. God “plans”…what is the Church’s “plan”?

I also underlined your words above. I would like to know what are the steps for those outside the Church?

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sigh

This demonstrates an impoverished understanding of the Sacraments, Servant. Sacraments as “pray and hope”. As if.

This:

http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/confessional.jpg

and this

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and this





all are “steps” to provide the world with better people.

Now, to the degree that all of us avail ourselves of these sacraments, and then cooperate with the grace, is the degree that you are “protected”.

 

[PRmerger]

You say going from circumcision is good, to **circumcision is bad **is called fulfillment.

Could you please provide some documents from the CC that demonsrates that “circumcision is bad”, Servant?

It does appear that the statement above is borne from great ignorance of Catholicism.

But if you can find something that says “circumcision is bad” from the Church, then we can chat.

 

[PRmerger]

Lets look at the quote again please:

“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” - John 14:15

You know, you keep using the above citation: John 14:15

This is John 14:15

[BIBLEDRB]John 14:15[/BIBLEDRB]

Do you want to try again and provide the correct Bible verse?

Maybe I’m wrong, maybe others can step in and tell me that I am a fool, and God has deceived me with incorrect reading skills. I’m happy to learn and be corrected

 

[PRmerger]

New truths = falsehood.

More words affirming the Catholic position on this thread!

From the magnificent Pope Francis:

We do not blindly seek God, or wait for him to speak to us first, for “God has already spoken, and there is nothing further that we need to know, which has not been revealed to us”

QED.

 

[Servant19]

Could you please provide some documents from the CC that demonsrates that “circumcision is bad”, Servant?

It does appear that the statement above is borne from great ignorance of Catholicism.

But if you can find something that says “circumcision is bad” from the Church, then we can chat.

Galatians 5:11

“11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”

 

[Servant19]

More words affirming the Catholic position on this thread!

From the magnificent Pope Francis:

We do not blindly seek God, or wait for him to speak to us first, for “God has already spoken, and there is nothing further that we need to know, which has not been revealed to us”

QED.

Well I would love to discuss with the Pope why 1John definitively talks about Prophets that will appear and speak the Word of God AFTER Jesus, and how his words contradict the clear meanings of the Bible



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[PRmerger]

Galatians 5:11

“11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!”

Ummm…that no more says that circumcision is bad than this, from your Bahai teachings, says that diversity is bad: “It is not diversity itself which is the cause of conflict, but rather our immature attitude towards it, our intolerance and misconceptions of others.”

 

[PRmerger]

Well I would love to discuss with the Pope why 1John definitively talks about Prophets that will appear and speak the Word of God AFTER Jesus.



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That’s because you don’t understand the Scriptures.

The ignorant and unstable who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction-2 Peter 3:16

 

[Servant19]

Ummm…that no more says that circumcision is bad than this, from your Bahai teachings, says that diversity is bad: “It is not diversity itself which is the cause of conflict, but rather our immature attitude towards it, our intolerance and misconceptions of others.”

No PR, if you find a quote in the Bahai Faith that says “anyone who enjoys cultural diversity should have their hearts surgically removed”, then you have a valid point…

Again, this is your sincerity with God, not with me, that is at stake, dear sister …

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[PRmerger]

No PR, if you find a quote in the Bahai Faith that says “anyone who enjoys cultural diversity should have their hearts surgically removed”, then you have a valid point…

You still need to provide a teaching from the CC that states that circumcision is bad.

I can tell you that if the Church ever taught this all of the males in my family would not have been circumcised.

You are simply professing something you cannot support.

 

[Servant19]

That’s because you don’t understand the Scriptures.

The ignorant and unstable who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction-2 Peter 3:16

Again that’s unfair …

You say that 1 John refers to prophets who are followers of Christ, who are a different kind of prophet to the PROPHETS, like Jesus and Elijah etc etc.

I asked you then to name one true prophet or false prophet in Catholicism, and there has never been one, so your interpretation of 1 John is clearly incorrect.

Again, sincerity is needed

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[Servant19]

You still need to provide a teaching from the CC that states that circumcision is bad.

I can tell you that if the Church ever taught this all of the males in my family would not have been circumcised.

You are simply professing something you cannot support.

No I am not, PR…

Every one of your circumcised family members are clearly hoped by Paul to have been castrated. It’s in black and white, such is the “deathly” clutches of the Law in Paul’s eyes, and therefore in Jesus’ eyes.

Why do you read the Bible without precision, dear sister?

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[PRmerger]

Again that’s unfair …

You say that 1 John refers to prophets who are followers of Christ, who are a different kind of prophet to the PROPHETS, like Jesus and Elijah etc etc.

I asked you then to name one true prophet or false prophet in Catholicism, and there has never been one, so your interpretation of 1 John is clearly incorrect.

Again, sincerity is needed

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Why don’t you cite the specific verse you are referring to? (The correct one this time, please.)

 

[Servant19]

sigh

This demonstrates an impoverished understanding of the Sacraments, Servant. Sacraments as “pray and hope”. As if.

This:

http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/confessional.jpg

and this

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2_n4HsAlOcs/UBMGI18EvLI/AAAAAAAAA5g/wRQ9jU9nbSc/s1600/holy_eucharist1.jpg

and this

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/uploads/main/seminary_studies.jpg

http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/prostrate-to-pope.jpg

all are “steps” to provide the world with better people.

Now, to the degree that all of us avail ourselves of these sacraments, and then cooperate with the grace, is the degree that you are “protected”.

I only see Catholics in these photos.