Family Disruptions - Please Help!

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Greetings! I am new to this forum and have joined because I am compelled to seek urgent advice from fellow Catholics. There is a situation within my family that is seemingly rather common, but with contributing factors that make it more difficult to assess. I feel some objectivity is required here within a Catholic context.

So here goes:

My 21-year old sister had a fight with my father on Christmas Eve of 2013, and has since moved in with her boyfriend - over whom the fight began. Rather than plainly stating that she was living with the boy, she has instead been telling my parents that she stays at friends’ houses during the evenings when she’s not working/going to school. I’m sure my parents were both smart enough to realize this was not entirely true, but neither of them pushed the matter until very recently.

Here is where I must digress. My father has Narcissistic Personality Disorder which makes it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to have any kind of reasonable discussion with him. Instead of sitting my sister down and telling her that her decision is wrong but that he still loves her, he yells and makes threats, and then blames everyone but himself for her poor choices. Even when I brought up the prospect of arranging a meeting with our parish pastor to mediate a conversation he dismissed it completely. He has a habit of fiercely upholding Catholic morals when it suits him, but ignoring them when they don’t. And yet, he holds everyone else to a higher moral standard than himself. My sister, therefore, does not even want to discuss anything with him and patently avoids coming by my parent’s house when he is home. This has led my father to take his frustrations out on my mother and she, in turn, has threatened to leave him if he disowns my sister outright.

All of this tension will reach its climax soon and, quite honestly, none of the prospective outlooks are good. Both my sister and my father are too selfish to admit their own faults, and my mother is just utterly exhausted and emotionally devastated by the whole situation. She is a recovering alcoholic and has been struggling very hard to maintain her sobriety (which, by the grace of God, she has so far).

I, as the oldest child (at 29), am stuck in the middle of all this. I try to calm my parents down when I am around, but I cannot always be here to keep them from saying hateful things to each other, or to keep my father from dealing with my sister as though she’s committed some unforgivable act that deserves the utmost censure. He will say that she has abandoned her family and her faith and for that she is no longer welcome at home, but in the next sentence he will say that he would not accept any form of apology or be open to the idea of reinforcing his love while maintaining his disapproval of her relationship.

I feel as though my whole family is being torn apart over this issue. I hardly have a relationship with my sister as it is, and she resents me for disapproving of many of her choices over the years. My father is stubborn and, while his disorder means it isn’t entirely his fault, everything falls back to his bad handling of circumstances that should be treated with more delicacy.

Apart from prayer, I do not know what my role should be in this mess. Do I schedule a meeting with a parish priest and try to get my parents and/or sister to go? Or should I stay out of it altogether and let the pieces fall where they may? The worst case scenario is that my parents break up as a result of this as it has been a massive wedge between them since the first fight between my sister and father a year ago. (Actually, my father’s words to my mother verbatim were that she committed a sin “worse than murder” for ruining his Christmas when she, in fact, had absolutely nothing to do with it!) I feel helpless as I watch this insanity unfold around. I do not like the idea of my sister being cut out of the family, but I could almost accept that outcome if only my parents would support each other rather than exchange blame. Some of the things my father says are morally reprehensible, but he feels justified because he believes he has authority over the entire family.

So, if you have been patient enough to read through all of the above, I implore you: what should I do, if anything? And, if anyone has been in a similar situation, how did they deal with each of their family members when everyone has a completely different perspective?

I appreciate any time and prayers than can be offered my way.
  • Teresa
(Iida is the name I have in my Finnish language class.)
 
I would pray for each of them, clearly express my love for each of them, and otherwise let them sort it out. They are all grown-ups, so it is their responsibility. If they come to you, give them hugs, tell them you’re sorry this is happening, and assure them of your confidence in *their *being aboe to sort it out.
 
Teresa…Lida…

Sounds like you’ve been in the middle of the family emotional equivalent of a civil war! Gosh! 😦 Sorry you have felt “entre la espada y la pared” as they’d say here in Mexico (Literally means, “between the sword the wall”, or how we´d say, “between a rock and a hard place”).

:hug1:

I would steer clear as much as possible from the politics of this. Your sister is 21 years old, legally an adult. If she wants to move out, live with her boyfriend, she actually can do that.

I think the only way this will work right now is if you try to stay neutral. I think your sister already knows how you feel on this matter.

When she was living with your parents, a recovering alcoholic, and a father with Narcisistic Personality Disorder, it must have been quite hard.

You and your sister are children of an alcoholic, so would automatically have a stronger tendency to develop codependency. You could very well ALL be codependent.

“Co-alcoholic” was the original term, actually. They found that co-alcoholics had a kind of phenomenon. Often, a codependent would go with an alcoholic. Codependents are typically drawn to narcissists like a bee to honey. So, actually, none of this is surprising to me.

The term, “co-alcoholic” was later broaden, because we came to see the same idea appeared really ANY time anyone was dependent on…another person…or a substance…alcohol, drugs…or also codepent, as I say, on another person, literally, unable to live without him/her.

This is a FAMILY problem, and ideally, needs to be treated at that level.

However, in many, if not most cases, narcissists are generally unwilling to admit they even have any problem, will tend to want to blame it all on everyone else.

Some families, dysfunctional families, also like to use scapegoating, where they blame the entire blame, really for all the problems of the entire family, on one individual. That person gets the WHOLE blame for anything and everything wrong, often, unfairly so, disproportionately.

I don´t know if any of ya’ all would be open to counseling. Family counseling, would probably be the idea. If you can get them to sit down for family counseling with a psychologist, more power to you. I sort of doubt that’d happen, though.

If not, anybody in your family who would be willing to go, then, on an individual level, would help, because, in my experience, the ENTIRE family is being affected.

I wouldn´t be surprised if there was codependency throughout your family due to the parents. You may, if you have codependent tendencies, feel you need to rescue the people involved, fix this. You may feel their problems are your problems, but they’re not.

Your problems are your problems. Their problems are their problems.

Often, codependents feel sort of a need to try to solve everybody else’s problems. I’ve seen this even in myself.

I’d say to take care of yourself, first and foremost. I’d encourage you to seek counseling, for yourself, to support yourself through all this going on. Try not to feel responsible for any of it, to be clear about what’s you, and what’s them.

In codependency, boundaries are key, not violating other people’s boundaries, and not letting them violate ours. There are actually support groups dedicated to this, such as Codependent’s Anonymous. Alanon is another, which deals with more or less the same issues, of boundaries.

Insofar as influencing, converting, others, best to lead by example. :twocents:
 
Here is where I must digress. My father has Narcissistic Personality Disorder which makes it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to have any kind of reasonable discussion with him.
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Presumably, that helped motivate your sister’s decision to move in with her boyfriend.**

I, as the oldest child (at 29), am stuck in the middle of all this. I try to calm my parents down when I am around, but I cannot always be here to keep them from saying hateful things to each other, or to keep my father from dealing with my sister as though she’s committed some unforgivable act that deserves the utmost censure.

**It’s not your responsibility to parent your parents. But if you can make peace without utterly exhausting yourself, do what you can. But this is not your fault.

Are you living at home? If so, what is your exit plan?**

Apart from prayer, I do not know what my role should be in this mess. Do I schedule a meeting with a parish priest and try to get my parents and/or sister to go?

That sounds like a very good idea. Don’t try to bring your sister in right away, but make an appointment for you and your parents and go even if your dad won’t go.

The worst case scenario is that my parents break up as a result of this as it has been a massive wedge between them since the first fight between my sister and father a year ago. (Actually, my father’s words to my mother verbatim were that she committed a sin “worse than murder” for ruining his Christmas when she, in fact, had absolutely nothing to do with it!)

**Wow.

Would it be helpful to your mother to be able to reply in such circumstances, “I talked to Fr. Anthony about this and he said blah blah blah”?

Another phrase that might be helpful (work with your mother on practicing this one) is, “Let’s not talk more about this until we speak to Fr. Daniel.” You can just keep repeating that one until your father gives up.**

Some of the things my father says are morally reprehensible, but he feels justified because he believes he has authority over the entire family.

**The belief that he has total authority over the whole family (including adult daughters living independently) is not very Catholic.

Definitely discuss this with your priest (but don’t go to a priest that you haven’t heard preach before–there are occasional oddballs, but Catholic clergy are generally level-headed).**

So, if you have been patient enough to read through all of the above, I implore you: what should I do, if anything? And, if anyone has been in a similar situation, how did they deal with each of their family members when everyone has a completely different perspective?

**In our family, there is one “patriarch” who opposed a marriage. When his child married against his will, he stopped directly talking to the couple for about 10 years beyond the barest minimum. However, after a younger child (who had seemed to be obedient but had a secret and very destructive double life) fell apart, the “patriarch” eventually mended fences with the child who married without his blessing. He’s still a difficult person, but he does have a relationship with the child that married.

Do have a look at some of the CAF threads about adult children and honoring difficult parents. **
 
Saint Michael, the archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil, may God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do you, O’ Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God thrust into Hell Satan and all the other evil spirits who prowl about the world for the ruin of souls.

Amen.



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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Amen.



Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

 
I would like to thank everyone who has responded so far. You have all given me much to think about.

I know I cannot tell my parents how to behave toward each other or to my other siblings, but my instinct up until now has been to protect my family even if it is split into factions. Stepping back feels like giving up, and giving up feels like the wrong thing to do. It’s ironic that my father behaves more like someone who wants control over everything than a caring/concerned parent, and here I am wishing to control the situation in the hope that the end result won’t be as bad as I fear.

I do not live with my parents, but in close proximity (30 minutes drive). I’m at their house almost daily because I still consider it “home” even though I live elsewhere. I’ve always liked the comfort and idea of home, though growing up with my parents was extremely stressful. I suppose this would be the kind of codependency ClearWater mentioned?

I certainly intend to speak with a priest as soon as possible - if for no other reason than to help me find peace in my own life, despite the turmoil upsetting my family.
 
I say this as someone who has experienced a family member’s mental illness and saw the results on my family…your best route is to love your family, but stay out of this mess. Maintain as close a bond as you can with your sister and each parent, but don’t try to fix their relationships with each other. It’s not your place and it won’t work.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with all of this.
 
I do not live with my parents, but in close proximity (30 minutes drive).

That’s great, both that you don’t live with them and that it’s 30 minutes away.

I’m at their house almost daily because I still consider it “home” even though I live elsewhere.

**How about visiting half as often and then adjusting up or down according to your parents’ behavior?

You can also just start leaving as soon as they start a fight.

I would suggest reading “Don’t Shoot the Dog” (it’s a book on positive reinforcement with both animals and people) and thinking about how to positively reinforce your parents. **

I’ve always liked the comfort and idea of home, though growing up with my parents was extremely stressful. I suppose this would be the kind of codependency ClearWater mentioned?

I certainly intend to speak with a priest as soon as possible - if for no other reason than to help me find peace in my own life, despite the turmoil upsetting my family.
Yes!
 
I am sorry that you are going through this, but dear one you might be taking on far too much responsibility on yourself. I think it is nice that you are thinking of calling the parish priest but your parent’s marriage is not your responsibility.

Yes!

What you wrote above really stood out for me that your parent’s marriage would break up “as a result of THIS” I am sorry but I don’t believe that. Marriages don’t usually break up over one incident, sometimes they do, but not usually. You are talking presumably about a 30+ year marriage between an alcoholic and a narcissist. Even in 30 year healthy marriages there are lots of challenges but between your parents there must be many, many, many challenges. That probably doesn’t make you feel better because you are worried about an impending divorce, but you need to face reality that this isn’t all because of what your sister did but deep down you probably already knew that.

This situation is for God to help fix, not you. That is hard news to hear, sometimes we need to back away not because we are giving up, but because we are standing in God’s way. Show your family love, love and more love but resist the temptation to problem solve. Instead encourage your family to turn to God. Like you I was somewhat of a “helper” which I thought was admirable but it turns out people turned to me for help when they should have been turning to their knees and asking God for help so I needed to show love but back away. Jesus loves you so much, He knows how much you are hurting, He has known from all eternity that your family would be going through this, ask Him for guidance. Please take care as best as you can.
Yes!
 
I would suggest on working on your own home (no matter how small and humble it is), making it more home-like, and cultivating your outside social life.

Your family of origin is occupying more of your mental bandwidth than they have a right to.

Good luck!
 
Your father can’t unilaterally throw your sister out of the family. He can stop talking to her himself, but you don’t have and it doesn’t sound like your mother intends to. I would focus on preserving your relationship with her.
 
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