Family Moral Issue

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IMHO, It’s inappropriate for you to expose the younger kids to the situation your son has created. They may not sleep in the same bed under your roof but the younger kids will know they are sexually involved b/c of the child and the amount of sneaking around behind your back and possibly in front of the younger ones will be great. And God forbid he goes back to drinking, it will difficult to get him out of your house at that point and an awful thing for the younger kids to experience.

Your son needs to find a job in a different area and take responsibility for the choices he has made. The more you keep giving him hand outs and enabling him the less likely he is to do anything on his own.

My feeling is to stay out of it and don’t expose the rest of your family to his nonsense.
 
Just curious – If they went down to the courthouse and got a civil marriage, would you let them live together then? Or would you only let them share a bedroom if they had a valid Catholic marriage?
His girl does not have any religious leanings and I would be ok with a legal marriage. I certainly wouldn’t tell my non-Catholic married friends that while visiting me, they can’t sleep together. It’s not the marriage so much as the que sera sera attitude toward it.
 
IMHO, It’s inappropriate for you to expose the younger kids to the situation your son has created. They may not sleep in the same bed under your roof but the younger kids will know they are sexually involved b/c of the child and the amount of sneaking around behind your back and possibly in front of the younger ones will be great. And God forbid he goes back to drinking, it will difficult to get him out of your house at that point and an awful thing for the younger kids to experience.

Your son needs to find a job in a different area and take responsibility for the choices he has made. The more you keep giving him hand outs and enabling him the less likely he is to do anything on his own.

My feeling is to stay out of it and don’t expose the rest of your family to his nonsense.
What a great perspective. I had never thought of it that way. It would be a very difficult scenario.
 
Your son needs to man up and just get married.

Tough he wants a big wedding. . . he needs to just get it done.
 
Your son needs to man up and just get married.

Tough he wants a big wedding. . . he needs to just get it done.
What that you’ve heard about this guy makes you think he is capable of marriage? He’s got three kids by what sounds like three different women out of wedlock and is at best marginally employed. If my daughter were #3 I’d tell her to run, run, run in the opposite direction.
 
What that you’ve heard about this guy makes you think he is capable of marriage? He’s got three kids by what sounds like three different women out of wedlock and is at best marginally employed. If my daughter were #3 I’d tell her to run, run, run in the opposite direction.
Honestly, so would I. But…he is my son and as a parent, I cannot give up on him. We are all redeemable. And while he has made some gargantuan mistakes in his life, I see him making the most effort I have ever seen. The issue is how much support do I give him.
 
Your son needs to man up and just get married.

Tough he wants a big wedding. . . he needs to just get it done.
He’s an alcoholic who can’t hold a job and is struggling to make it work with baby mama #3. He should have ‘manned up’ a long time ago and made better choices. But he is not even close to ready for marriage right now.
 
Honestly, so would I. But…he is my son and as a parent, I cannot give up on him. We are all redeemable. And while he has made some gargantuan mistakes in his life, I see him making the most effort I have ever seen. The issue is how much support do I give him.
I’ve never had a kid that big yet, so I can’t really speak to your exact circumstances, but I do have a nearly-teen autistic daughter that used to be very difficult.

I’d say reward progress and reward good behavior. Do stuff to move him forward, rather than making him comfortable where he is and make sure that whatever you are doing on your side is something that you can stop doing as soon as he stops holding up his end of the deal. The awful danger in moving into your house (even if he was lawfully married) is that he won’t be motivated to find work and life will be so comfortable that he and his family won’t ever leave of their own accord.

I’ll give you an example of a deal I have with my mildly autistic 12-year-old. She currently has an inexpensive ukulele that she bought herself and she’d like a nicer, bigger ukulele. I have the following deal with her. If she does 50 practices of 15 minutes a day, I will buy her a ukulele of no more than $100 in value. If she wants a ukulele of $200 in value, she needs to accrue 100 15-minute practices. If she wants a $300 ukulele, she needs to accrue 150 15-minute practices. It’s all on her how fancy a ukulele we are going to get her. So far she has done 37 practices and she’s going strong.

That’s the kid version of what you may wish to do, but think about how you would do something like that for your son. Perhaps, for instance, if he moves to your area, you could pay him for yardwork and odd jobs (on generous terms and maybe letting him use your stuff, but paying AFTER he does the work).

(I mentioned earlier the idea of paying son and his girlfriend $100 per personal finance class attended–I don’t know if that is within your means, but I strongly suspect that having son and girlfriend and two kids move into your home would be much, much more expensive than that.)

Dave Ramsey’s The Legacy Journey book may be helpful to you. One of the examples he gives in the book is that he had a matching program for his teens and their car savings. If they saved $3k toward a car, he would match it with $3k, so the teen would have $6k available for a car, if they saved $5k he would match it for a total of $10k, etc. By the time his third kid reached car-buying age, the third kid had BIG ideas and even bigger savings. I think it could be very helpful if you were to figure out some sort of arrangement like that for multiplying your son’s efforts for him, but in order to do that, you’d have to have open lines of communication with him, and to know a lot about his life, his aspirations, and his needs.

Best wishes!
 
I often recommend the books “Don’t Shoot the Dog” and “Transforming the Difficult Child.”
 
I’ve never had a kid that big yet, so I can’t really speak to your exact circumstances, but I do have a nearly-teen autistic daughter that used to be very difficult.

I’d say reward progress and reward good behavior. Do stuff to move him forward, rather than making him comfortable where he is and make sure that whatever you are doing on your side is something that you can stop doing as soon as he stops holding up his end of the deal. The awful danger in moving into your house (even if he was lawfully married) is that he won’t be motivated to find work and life will be so comfortable that he and his family won’t ever leave of their own accord.

I’ll give you an example of a deal I have with my mildly autistic 12-year-old. She currently has an inexpensive ukulele that she bought herself and she’d like a nicer, bigger ukulele. I have the following deal with her. If she does 50 practices of 15 minutes a day, I will buy her a ukulele of no more than $100 in value. If she wants a ukulele of $200 in value, she needs to accrue 100 15-minute practices. If she wants a $300 ukulele, she needs to accrue 150 15-minute practices. It’s all on her how fancy a ukulele we are going to get her. So far she has done 37 practices and she’s going strong.

That’s the kid version of what you may wish to do, but think about how you would do something like that for your son. Perhaps, for instance, if he moves to your area, you could pay him for yardwork and odd jobs (on generous terms and maybe letting him use your stuff, but paying AFTER he does the work).

(I mentioned earlier the idea of paying son and his girlfriend $100 per personal finance class attended–I don’t know if that is within your means, but I strongly suspect that having son and girlfriend and two kids move into your home would be much, much more expensive than that.)

Dave Ramsey’s The Legacy Journey book may be helpful to you. One of the examples he gives in the book is that he had a matching program for his teens and their car savings. If they saved $3k toward a car, he would match it with $3k, so the teen would have $6k available for a car, if they saved $5k he would match it for a total of $10k, etc. By the time his third kid reached car-buying age, the third kid had BIG ideas and even bigger savings. I think it could be very helpful if you were to figure out some sort of arrangement like that for multiplying your son’s efforts for him, but in order to do that, you’d have to have open lines of communication with him, and to know a lot about his life, his aspirations, and his needs.

Best wishes!
Thank you. I have attended Alanon in the past and I do struggle with control. I keep thinking that if only I say the right words, in the right way, at the right time, it will all click and life will be hunky-dory. This thread and the responses in it have made me realize that I am treading in some deep co-dependent water. You have helped me see that. And for that I thank you
 
Thank you. I have attended Alanon in the past and I do struggle with control. I keep thinking that if only I say the right words, in the right way, at the right time, it will all click and life will be hunky-dory. This thread and the responses in it have made me realize that I am treading in some deep co-dependent water. You have helped me see that. And for that I thank you
We have a young relative that has also really struggled, partly due to unfortunate circumstances and partly due to her own fault. The good news is that even though she’s now 30ish and it’s been about 8 years of her parents struggling with her situation, she finally seems to be turning a corner. (Fingers crossed!)

Best wishes!
 
Here’s another idea:

If your son takes a community college course and passes it, maybe you could fund a course the next term (or pay for the books and supplies or whatever)? If he passes two courses, you could fund two.
 
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