Family of Abortion Business Owner Dies in Montana Plane Crash

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Butte, MT – The crash of a small airplane in Montana carrying a family from California after a ski trip has made the national news, but the mainstream media hasn’t yet connected the dots. Were they to dig a little deeper, they would learn that the family killed in the crash has an infamous abortion connection.

The crash involved two daughters of a prominent California abortion business owner, Irving “Bud” Feldkamp, and their families.

Full story at: LifeNews.com/state3989.html
 
Why is this important? What does it have to do with these individuals deaths?

I find anyone actively involved in the abortion industry in need of prayer but why bring this up?

Do you mean that they deserved it or something. . .
 
We can’t know what they deserved, but they may need our prayers now.
 
I agree that there’s a subtle implication here that I don’t think is proper. Namely, that they deserved it or that there’s some divine retribution involved in their deaths. Also, making that implication sets up an obvious retort: thousand of Catholics die and are killed every day in plane crashes, automobile accidents and war and everything else. If this abortion doctor’s family died, shouldn’t these good Catholic people be spared?

As Catholics, we have to hold firm that the commission of an evil act cannot be justified by the means. This is basic to Catholic theology and distances pro-life Catholics from extreme, fringe anti-abortion groups who kill doctors, bomb clinics, etc. This is a critical distinction.
 
I agree that one has to be careful in discussing these kinds of cases. I admit, when I first examined, the whole thing a thought crossed my mind something like, “Well, that’s what you get for doing this kind of stuff,” and I now wonder if I should go to Confession for that.

Is it wrong for someone to proclaim to this grieving person that this tragedy may have been a sign and a punishment from God, especially if it may force them to reconsider their own heinous actions? We see in the Old Testament where sometimes it takes a severe occurrence to force someone to reconsider and repent of their actions (i.e. Pharaoh in Exodus, several of the Israelite kings, etc.).
 
Leopard said:
We can’t know what they deserved, but they may need our prayers now.
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Indeed, all the departed need our prayers. It is not our place to consider the eternal state of their soul, but to pray that through God’s mercy they are brought into the beatific vision.

I pray for them, as I hope that some may pray for me when I die, as I will sorely need their prayers.
 
nsper7 said:
Is it wrong for someone to proclaim to this grieving person that this tragedy may have been a sign and a punishment from God, especially if it may force them to reconsider their own heinous actions?
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Yes, it is wrong.

What were the 7 children being punished for?
 
theistgal said:
Yes, it is wrong.

What were the 7 children being punished for?
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What were the firstborn children of Egypt being punished for? And please note I used the word ‘may’ in my earlier sentence. Obviously, no one but God knows truly why this tragedy occurred.
 
nsper7 said:
What were the firstborn children of Egypt being punished for? And please note I used the word ‘may’ in my earlier sentence. Obviously, no one but God knows truly why this tragedy occurred.
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Yes, that’s true. Which is why we shouldn’t speculate on whether or not any given tragedy is God’s judgment. If it is, He’ll get the message out to the people who need to hear it.
 
theistgal said:
Yes, that’s true. Which is why we shouldn’t speculate on whether or not any given tragedy is God’s judgment. If it is, He’ll get the message out to the people who need to hear it.
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Obviously. I know for me, it can be tough not to get judgmental, but one hopes that those children (and everyone in the end…I believe in Hell, but I hope for Universalism when I think about it) are in Heaven.
 
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What were the firstborn children of Egypt being punished for? And please note I used the word ‘may’ in my earlier sentence. Obviously, no one but God knows truly why this tragedy occurred.
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This is utterly and deeply ofensive. I am not sure what you are geting at here but perhaps you may need some additional instruction before you come into full communion.
 
Feanor2 said:
This is utterly and deeply ofensive. I am not sure what you are geting at here but perhaps you may need some additional instruction before you come into full communion.
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Which part?
  1. That the firstborn of Egypt were punished for the sins of Pharaoh and his supporters
  2. That this tragedy MAY have been a proverbial wake-up call from God
  3. That only God knows why/how this tragedy occurred
EDIT: Did you read the article? I am not the first person to bring up this question.
 
Here is a response to original article: christiannewswire.com/news/602509845.html

No one is saying definitively that this was God’s wrath, we are merely pointing out such a possibility. Remember, this man was making a fortune through murder and his wife even had the gall to laugh at the pictures of the murdered fetuses.
 
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nsper7:
What were the firstborn children of Egypt being punished for? And please note I used the word ‘may’ in my earlier sentence. Obviously, no one but God knows truly why this tragedy occurred.
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This is utterly and deeply ofensive. I am not sure what you are geting at here but perhaps you may need some additional instruction before you come into full communion.
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Whoa. That’s uncalled for.
 
To suggest that an entire family, including the children, died in a plane crash as a result of Gods judgement is not only just a bit on the nonsensical side but paints said implicator in the same light as those who blow up buildings or murder doctors who commit abortion in the name of the pro-life movement.

I once heard a minister say abortion is still wrong even in cases of rape because rape is a horrible and violent act and one should not “meet one violent act with another.”

I think some Catholics could learn something from that.
 
Doesn’t the final line of the article speak for itself?

“I pray that God will use this unfortunate catastrophe to soften the hearts of Bud and Pam and that they will draw close to the Lord and wash their hands of the blood of thousands of innocent children, each as precious and irreplaceable as their own,” she concludes.

May the grandparents who are abortion owners, Bud and Pam, awaken to the fact that every child should live to be born and cherished as their children and grandchildren were.
 
apromisemade said:
To suggest that an entire family, including the children, died in a plane crash as a result of Gods judgement is not only just a bit on the nonsensical side but paints said implicator in the same light as those who blow up buildings or murder doctors who commit abortion in the name of the pro-life movement.

I once heard a minister say abortion is still wrong even in cases of rape because rape is a horrible and violent act and one should not “meet one violent act with another.”

I think some Catholics could learn something from that.
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I think you missed the point of the article.
 
apromisemade said:
To suggest that an entire family, including the children, died in a plane crash as a result of Gods judgement is not only just a bit on the nonsensical side but paints said implicator in the same light as those who blow up buildings or murder doctors who commit abortion in the name of the pro-life movement.

I once heard a minister say abortion is still wrong even in cases of rape because rape is a horrible and violent act and one should not “meet one violent act with another.”

I think some Catholics could learn something from that.
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There is a difference: because God gave us life, He can take it away. A human being cannot take life except under very certain circumstances (i.e. self-defense).

I am not trying to say this was an act of God, but merely to suggest it might or may have been. As one who has been reading the Old Testament a lot lately, you’ll see that sometime God does punish the family for the sins of a relative. So, it is not a categorical impossibility…
 
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