Family Planning Is Family Values

[bones_IV]

What a load of drivel.

“Listen to the apocalyptic rhetoric of the religious right and you’ll find an important theme emerge: The introduction of contraception, which permits people to have sex for fun, is bound up with all of society’s ills, from the imagined breakdown of the family to an undocumented surge in crimes against children.”



I don’t know what this lady named Cristina Page is smoking. Just look at the escellating abortion rates, sexual intercourse before marriage and the break down of the American family…all traceable to birth control.

tompaine.com/articles/2006/12/19/family_planning_is_family_values.php

 

[Richardols]

Just look at the escellating abortion rates, sexual intercourse before marriage and the break down of the American family…all traceable to birth control.

Do you have a link to anything that supports such causality? It would be worthwhile seeing.

 

[mvinca]

Is a link really needed? This really isn’t a deep research topic. Row vs. Wade states that if contraception is legal then it follows that abortion must be made available. It is right there in the legal text. So you have a direct link from contraception to abortion. As far as an increase in abortion, can anyone deny that abortion skyrocketed? 1 in 4 children die due to abortion. Is it hard to see that aborted fetuses led to using aborted fetal tissue in research which led over time to embryonic stem cell research? (Which, lead also to our greater understanding of conception and hence eventually helped the pro-life movement. ) Which part is not believed that you need someone to do a research project on so we can link to it?

 

[Richardols]

Which part is not believed that you need someone to do a research project on so we can link to it?

Argument is not evidence. That’s why a link to some hard evidence would be valuable.

 

[gam197]

The media seems to be printing articles attacking the older generation and its morals. First we hear that they were just as sexually active as the younger generations. Hopefully the younger generation won’t believe all this.

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And with women assigned to endless tasks of the home, men shouldered the full responsibility of supporting the family economically. One dire consequence was that one in four Americans in the mid-1950s lived in poverty. By the end of the 1950s, one in three American children lived in poverty.

Not surprisingly, researchers in the ‘50s found that less than one in three married couples reported being happy or very happy with their relationship. Compare that to today, when 61 percent of married Americans report themselves to be “very happy” in their marriage.

Cristina Page is author of How the Pro-Choice Movement Saved America: Freedom, Politics and the War on Sex and spokesperson for Birth Control Watch.

TomPaine.common sense is the site?

 

[mvinca]

Argument is not evidence. That’s why a link to some hard evidence would be valuable.

From www.m-w.com:
Entry Word: evidence
Function: noun
Text: something presented in support of the truth or accuracy of a claim

Argument would be the presentation of the evidence. They aren’t mutually exclusive. My argument laid some facts for evidence.

Fact #1) Row vs. Wade used contraception as a reason that abortion cannot be denied.

Fact #2) Currently, 1 in 4 babies are aborted in the US.

Now some things would require some depth to “prove”; like fetal tissue leading to fetal tissue research paving the road for embryonic stem cell research. But if we have to prove such obvious flows as this, we aren’t going to get anywhere. Do you really have to “prove” that fetal tissue is required to do research on fetal tissue?

 

[mvinca]

And with women assigned to endless tasks of the home, men shouldered the full responsibility of supporting the family economically. One dire consequence was that one in four Americans in the mid-1950s lived in poverty. By the end of the 1950s, one in three American children lived in poverty.

The implication being that it is better to be dead than to be poor. Of course, I realize they are talking about contraception and not abortion, but Row vs. Wade legally links the two.

Not surprisingly, researchers in the ‘50s found that less than one in three married couples reported being happy or very happy with their relationship. Compare that to today, when 61 percent of married Americans report themselves to be “very happy” in their marriage.

The implication being that if you aren’t happy, you should get a divorce instead of trying to work it out…

 

[mvinca]

This was the era in which birth rates soared and doubled the time devoted to child care.

Last time I heard about the baby boomer generation, all those kids came about because they were WANTED. After the wars, people got busy. But I guess I don’t have any “proof” of that statement. Just what people from that generation tell me. Speaking of causality, doesn’t it seem to be quite a loose transition in this article from unhappy families to birth control? I think the evidence that birth control led to happier families in much more lacking than the evidence that contraception led to abortion.

 

[1ke]

Is a link really needed? This really isn’t a deep research topic. Row vs. Wade states that if contraception is legal then it follows that abortion must be made available. It is right there in the legal text.

Actually, it is the opinion in Casey v. Planned Parenthood that makes the assertion that abortion must be avaiable if contraception fails. Text:

“The Roe rule’s limitation on state power could not be repudiated without serious inequity to people who, for two decades of economic and social developments, have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail.”

 

[mvinca]

Actually, it is the opinion in Casey v. Planned Parenthood that makes the assertion that abortion must be avaiable if contraception fails. Text:

“The Roe rule’s limitation on state power could not be repudiated without serious inequity to people who, for two decades of economic and social developments, have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail.”

Hehe, I noticed I misspelled Roe too… oye. Contraception was part of the argument in Roe vs. Wade as well. It was brought up by Doe. They claimed that they should be able to procure an abortion if their contraception failed, because they had to get off the pill. The court found that they didn’t have a legal standing to sue, but their intent is still recorded in the legal text. It shows that the contraceptive mentality led to an abortive mentality.

If I could rephrase Doe’s argument by filling in between the lines, it would be something like this:

“The pill is legal. The pill can act as an abortifacient. We can’t take the pill because of medical reasons. If the pill is legal, all effects of the pill (includes abortion) should be legal as well. So we should have a right to an abortion.”

With that being said, you are very right that this thought process was solidified, so to speak, with Casey vs. Planned Parenthood.

 

[1ke]

Do you have a link to anything that supports such causality? It would be worthwhile seeing.

Divorce

Abortion

Abortion and increased risky behavior

another article on increase in sexual activity and abortion with widespread contraception use

Relationship between abortion and crime, child abuse, and suicide

another article on abortion and child abuse

another interesting article

I also suggest you do research on Dr. Robert Michael’s studies on the connection between contraception and divorce (cited by Janet Smith in several of her talks).

 

[Nohome]

Just look at the escellating abortion rates

From 1990 to 1999, there was a 9-percent decline in the birth rate (from 70.9 to 64.4 births per 1,000 women aged 15-44) and a 22-percent drop in the abortion rate (27.4 to 21.4), with an overall 12 percent decline in the pregnancy rate from 115.6 to 102.1. These trends and other findings are outlined in a new report issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which updates and revises pregnancy rates from 1990 to 1999 to include the latest abortion data for 1999.

cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/fs031031.htm

So, would you attribute this decline to a reduction in the use of ABC?

Nohome

 

[apricot_yogurt]

I guess by the 90’s there were fewer women having babies as there were fewer women of child bearing years alive. Many millions were aborted in the 70’s. So 20 years later…

 

[Richardols]

I also suggest you do research on Dr. Robert Michael’s studies on the connection between contraception and divorce (cited by Janet Smith in several of her talks).

Thanks for the links. I just wanted to see if there was any information on causality, and you provided it. Too often on this Forum, folks make assertions without any hard evidence, making it seem that all is nothing but personal opinion.

 

[Nohome]

I guess by the 90’s there were fewer women having babies as there were fewer women of child bearing years alive. Many millions were aborted in the 70’s. So 20 years later…

That would explain total abortions, but abortion rate is normalized for population. In addition, the US population continued to increase. We just passed 300 million.

 

[Lrning]

“Planned Parenthood has never been tagged as a pro-family values group. A greater oversight has never been made.”

If this weren’t so sad, it would be funny.

 

[Lrning]

“It is also this belief system supports gay marriage and the children that result from it. To us, family is so important we believe everyone has a right to make one.”

Uh… so how many children do result from gay marriage? Zero!

 

[KathleenElsie]

That would explain total abortions, but abortion rate is normalized for population. In addition, the US population continued to increase. We just passed 300 million.

Immigration at record numbers legal and illegal. Thus a population increase. And I find nothing “normal” in abortion.

 

[Nohome]

Immigration at record numbers legal and illegal. Thus a population increase. And I find nothing “normal” in abortion.

In this conversation, “normal” isn’t about behavior, it is about making data meaningful for comparison. The “rate” is number of abortions per 1,000 women. That makes the rate comparable regardless of the size of the population.

300 Million is the number of “citizens”, it doesn’t count illegals.

Nohome

 

[KathleenElsie]

In this conversation, “normal” isn’t about behavior, it is about making data meaningful for comparison. The “rate” is number of abortions per 1,000 women. That makes the rate comparable regardless of the size of the population.

300 Million is the number of “citizens”, it doesn’t count illegals.

Nohome

NO the population count in the USA counts all persons living here. Along with its demographics of age, sex etc.

I know “Normal”. I was speaking out of the side of my mouth. I hold a Masters in Psy and had all the research stats classes.