"Fascinating" Star Trek episode that acknowledges "the Maker of all things"

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DerekTM said:
That might be an accurate statement if Freemasonry was a religion. It’s not.
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I thought they were Deists? Don’t you have to profess belief in God to become a Mason?

I see what you mean though, but I didn’t mean to imply that Masonry itself is a religion, just that you can’t become a Mason without stating that you believe in God. I suppose that is kind of confusing.🤷
 
Exiled_Child said:
I thought they were Deists? Don’t you have to profess belief in God to become a Mason?

I see what you mean, but I didn’t mean to imply that Masonry itself is a religion, just that you can’t become a Mason with stating that you believe in God. I suppose that is kind of confusing.🤷
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You have to profess a belief in a higher-power - there are Masons of many different religions, most are Christian. My grandfather was a Southern Baptist and a Freemason.
 
DerekTM said:
You have to profess a belief in a higher-power - there are Masons of many different religions, most are Christian. My grandfather was a Southern Baptist and a Freemason.
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I have a lot of relatives involved in it, too. Actually, to be honest, my thoughts on the subject of Masonry are rather uncharitable, so I’ll keep them to myself. I’m just happy I’m Catholic, let’s put it that way. Anyway, maybe someone else will actually watch the episode and give us their take on what was meant by “the Maker of all things.”
 
Spock says, “You do not have the power to create life.”
And the alien lifeform says, “No, that is for the Maker of all things.”

Sounds pretty deistic to me. Star Trek was famous for exploring all kinds of philosophies, so this isn’t unusual. It was another century, also.
 
The date on the calendar doesn’t matter. “Maker of all things” sounds like a someone who made all things. The reference was about living beings - a person.

Robinson Crusoe on Mars (1964). “God not forget.”

Forbidden Planet (1956): “The Lord sure makes some beautiful planets.”

Ed
 
Viki63 said:
Spock says, “You do not have the power to create life.”
And the alien lifeform says, “No, that is for the Maker of all things.”

Sounds pretty deistic to me. Star Trek was famous for exploring all kinds of philosophies, so this isn’t unusual. It was another century, also.
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I find it quite unusual. The creator of Star Trek was famously atheist.
 
WilliamOK said:
I find it quite unusual. The creator of Star Trek was famously atheist.
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Atheists of his day were willing to toss a bone to religious faith because they could see the good done in Christ’s name. It doesn’t mean they believed themselves, but acknowledged that the world was better because of Christian teachings/values. Sadly, that’s no longer the case for many who have descended into insults and fudging facts to openly attack Christianity.

The movies of the 40’s, 50’s and even into the early 60’s reflected a culture that gave lip service at least to the benefits of religious faith. Not so any more. Any such references are seen as courageous these days when faith is mocked and ridiculed by Hollywood and other media.
 
Star Trek was written by a multitude of writers, as most television shows are. Roddenberry did oversee the scripts though.

Spock 's reference to Adam and Eve in Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country is also of note, as he implies his newfound belief in the story following on from the events which occurred to his character in Star Trek 2 to 4.
 
Della said:
The movies of the 40’s, 50’s and even into the early 60’s reflected a culture that gave lip service at least to the benefits of religious faith. Not so any more. Any such references are seen as courageous these days when faith is mocked and ridiculed by Hollywood and other media.
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Actually alot of the film makers like Capra, Wyler and DeMille were genuinely Christian and they dominated the Hollywood of their era. As did Christian actors like Charlton Heston.
 
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