Fast Facts about the HIV/AIDS epidemic

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manualman said:
Don’t read too much into that passage that might not be there. Sin USUALLY contains the seed of its own punishment, which is why it is a sin in the first place. To suggest that God sent AIDS to smite the Sodomites is unbalanced and misses the fact that ALL sins cause mayhem and destruction throughout humanity.

A sin that does no harm wouldn’t be a sin. God isn’t arbitrary. But AIDS isn’t the worst thing that can happen to somebody committing sexual sin. The worst thing that happens is that we alienate ourselves from God. That happens whether the sin is hetero or homo.

My suggestion is that the quotes are useful tools for warning friends and loved ones about the unique dangers of homosexual promiscuity, but not so useful and a demonstration of how gays deserve extra special punishment for their sins. We’re all naturally inclined to be more shocked at OTHER people’s sins than our own. We must resist the temptation to declare theirs as worse than ours in God’s eyes. (Not that YOU’VE done that I just get squeemish when topics even sound that way)
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That’s true that we should all look at our own sins. But there is an extremely aggressive global push for acceptance of homosexual behavior as “the new normal”. This has even manifested itself with a number of lawsuits against Christians and “gay” activists disrupting Mass and females parading themselves naked in front of the Pope to protest our teachings. They are going to far extremes to shove this in everyone’s face. And it’s looking like the fulfillment of how it warns in the Bible that the whole world will become like Sodom and Gomorrah near the end times before Christ returns to judge everyone.
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
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I don’t have a problem with homosexuals who are struggling with same-sex attraction and who can admit to being sinners like how the rest of us can admit to that. My problem is with the “gay” activists who are currently one of the two main groups (the other is Islamic extremists) who are persecuting Christians in the world. And when I say “gay activist” I don’t necessarily mean only homosexuals since there are a lot of heterosexual “gay” activists who are persecuting Christians in the name of moral relativism.
 
livingwordunity said:
I don’t have a problem with homosexuals who are struggling with same-sex attraction and who can admit to being sinners like how the rest of us can admit to that. My problem is with the “gay” activists who are currently one of the two main groups (the other is Islamic extremists) who are persecuting Christians in the world. And when I say “gay activist” I don’t necessarily mean only homosexuals since there are a lot of heterosexual “gay” activists who are persecuting Christians in the name of relativism.
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That’s good. The Catechism, nor scriptures, teach us to ‘have problems’ with others.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
That’s good. The Catechism, nor scriptures, teach us to ‘have problems’ with others.
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We should have a problem accepting evil. For example, wouldn’t you have a problem with someone who abuses a child?
 
livingwordunity said:
We should have a problem accepting evil. For example, wouldn’t you have a problem with someone who abuses a child?
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We should have problems with their sins. We are no different, with our own sins. We should pray for them, and show them love as Christ taught us to love one another, as He loved us, including our enemies. Our hope should be for all to turn away from their sins, and pray for His mercy for all. We will be judged according to how we judged others.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
We should have problems with their sins. We are no different, with our own sins. We should pray for them, and show them love as Christ taught us to love one another, as He loved us, including our enemies. Our hope should be for all to turn away from their sins, and pray for His mercy for all. We will be judged according to how we judged others.
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I agree to an extent. Some sins are worse than others. That’s why someone who teaches heresy, for example, must be publicly opposed because it’s a sin that can lead others astray.
 
livingwordunity said:
I agree to an extent. Some sins are worse than others. That’s why someone who teaches heresy, for example, must be publicly opposed.
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It’s good to recognize the severity of sins. We all need to recognize that for our own benefit. Where we must be careful, is not to go against what Christ taught us, in reference to others…
**Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. **
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livingwordunity said:
Although they don’t have the same rate of getting HIV/AIDS as “gay” and bisexual men, statistics actually show that lesbians have a higher rate of various other STD’s than the average heterosexual female.
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What do statistics show about promiscuously active heterosexuals, in relations to diseases?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
It’s good to recognize the severity of sins. We all need to recognize that for our own benefit. Where we must be careful, is not to go against what Christ taught us, in reference to others…

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
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Christ isn’t saying in an absolute sense not to judge others but to be careful how we do it so that we aren’t judging someone for the same sins that we ourselves are guilty of doing. Jesus also says, “by their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:16). How can we do this without some form of judging?
 
livingwordunity said:
Christ isn’t saying in an absolute sense not to judge others but to be careful how we do it so that we aren’t judging someone for the same sins that we ourselves are guilty of doing.
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It certainly sounds like we need look at our own sins, above the sins of others. I could agree with you if you mean it does not stop us from trying to stop another person from sinning. Then we should discuss the best ways to go about that, according to what the Church, and Gospel teaches us.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
It certainly sounds like we need look at our own sins, above the sins of others.
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I didn’t say we shouldn’t. But that doesn’t mean ignoring the evil that’s going on in the world. “Evil thrives when good men do nothing” - Edmund Burke
 
livingwordunity said:
Not if you are using the average representation from each group and not comparing the average of one group with the minority within the other.
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So, even more promiscuous homosexuals have diseases at a greater percentage than the percentage of the greater activity you say they have over their heterosexual counterparts?
 
manualman said:
Don’t read too much into that passage that might not be there. Sin USUALLY contains the seed of its own punishment, which is why it is a sin in the first place. To suggest that God sent AIDS to smite the Sodomites is unbalanced and misses the fact that ALL sins cause mayhem and destruction throughout humanity.

A sin that does no harm wouldn’t be a sin. God isn’t arbitrary. But AIDS isn’t the worst thing that can happen to somebody committing sexual sin. The worst thing that happens is that we alienate ourselves from God. That happens whether the sin is hetero or homo.

My suggestion is that the quotes are useful tools for warning friends and loved ones about the unique dangers of homosexual promiscuity, but not so useful and a demonstration of how gays deserve extra special punishment for their sins. We’re all naturally inclined to be more shocked at OTHER people’s sins than our own. We must resist the temptation to declare theirs as worse than ours in God’s eyes. (Not that YOU’VE done that I just get squeemish when topics even sound that way)
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Yes, worse things can happen, a child can be conceived and aborted as well. Then, you have those who speak against defunding Planned Parenthood by speaking against those who would defund Planned Parenthood without back up. :banghead::banghead:
 
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