Fast Facts about the HIV/AIDS epidemic

[livingwordunity]

So, even more promiscuous homosexuals have diseases at a greater percentage than the percentage of the greater activity you say they have over their heterosexual counterparts?

I would say that because the average homosexual is more promiscuous than the average heterosexual it could account for why a much larger proportion of the “gay” community has HIV/AIDS and other STD’s.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I would say that because the average homosexual is more promiscuous than the average heterosexual it could account for why a much larger proportion of the “gay” community has HIV/AIDS and other STD’s.

Don’t you have those statistics available, or are you just assuming?

 

[livingwordunity]

Don’t you have those statistics available, or are you just assuming?

josephnicolosi.com/an-open-secret-the-truth-about/

Otherwise, one would have to conclude that the homosexual act alone and in itself is what explains the disproportionately high rate of HIV/AIDS in the “gay” community.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

josephnicolosi.com/an-open-secret-the-truth-about/

Otherwise, one would have to conclude that the homosexual act itself is what explains the disproportionately high rate of HIV/AIDS in the “gay” community.

It doesn’t give the statistics of diseases between homosexuals and heterosexuals??

Because you ‘wondered’ about it being ‘God’s punishment,’ I thought it would be interesting to see if disease ratios were the same for promiscuous behaviors, whether homosexual and heterosexual?

 

[livingwordunity]

It doesn’t give the statistics of diseases between homosexuals and heterosexuals??

Because you ‘wondered’ about it being ‘God’s punishment,’ I thought it would be interesting to see if disease ratios were the same for promiscuous behaviors, whether homosexual and heterosexual?

It says in biology that anal sex is more likely to spread diseases such as HIV/AIDS, and anal sex among actively homosexual men is about at 100% since they don’t have the option of a vagina.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

It says in biology that anal sex is more likely to spread diseases such as HIV/AIDS, and anal sex among actively homosexual men is about at 100% since they don’t have the option of a vagina.

That’s a bit descriptive for a Christian forum, in my opinion.

It’s still speculation. I believe I’d stop ‘wondering’ if it was God’s punishment. I’m sure, as the Catechism teaches, promiscuity is a grave matter for any unwed person, and we know that homosexuals cannot receive that sacrament from the Church.

We should be careful how we offer fraternal correction. First we should approach them, one on one. If that doesn’t work, then we take a couple people with us. Lastly, we take them to the Church. Through those steps, we can lead them, or cause them to stay astray. If we’re unnecessarily crude, rude, or otherwise less than charitable, and cause them to stay astray, some culpability could apply. We need to treat them as the Church teaches.‘They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’ They will know we’re Christians, by our love.

 

[livingwordunity]

That’s a bit descriptive for a Christian forum, in my opinion.

It’s still speculation. I believe I’d stop ‘wondering’ if it was God’s punishment. I’m sure, as the Catechism teaches, promiscuity is a grave matter for any unwed person, and we know that homosexuals cannot receive that sacrament from the Church.

We should be careful how we offer fraternal correction. First we should approach them, one on one. If that doesn’t work, then we take a couple people with us. Lastly, we take them to the Church. Through those steps, we can lead them, or cause them to stay astray. If we’re unnecessarily crude, rude, or otherwise less than charitable, and cause them to stay astray, some culpability could apply. We need to treat them as the Church teaches.‘They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’ They will know we’re Christians, by our love.

It’s hard to explain why homosexual acts are wrong without being descriptive. What I was saying is not speculation but what it says in my biology books and using scientific terms. I didn’t say anything using vulgar language. I’ve seen them allow for questions in CAF such as “is anal sex a sin?”. Maybe they should completely ban the topic of homosexuality from these forums then and have it answered only once in the “Ask an Apologist” section. Would you agree to that? That way no one would have to hear about it. By the way, I didn’t single anyone out on here for condemnation.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

It’s hard to explain why homosexual acts are wrong without being descriptive. But I was saying is not speculation but what it says in my biology books and using scientific terms. I didn’t say anything using vulgar language. I’ve seen them allow for questions in CAF such as “is anal sex a sin?”. Maybe they should completely ban the topic of homosexuality from these forums then and have it answered only once in the “Ask an Apologist” section. Would you agree to that? That way no one would have to hear about it. By the way, I didn’t single anyone out on here for condemnation.

My concern was for our ‘underage’ fellow members. Maybe I’m just old fashion. I grew up thinking Mayberry was an example of how the world worked.

 

[livingwordunity]

My concern was for our ‘underage’ fellow members. Maybe I’m just old fashion. I grew up thinking Mayberry was an example of how the world worked.

Then they should ban the topic of homosexuality from these forums. The topic itself leads to discussions that aren’t appropriate for children. They can answer it once in the “Ask an Apologist” forum by saying “yes, homosexual acts are a sin” done, end of discussion.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Then they should completely ban the topic of homosexuality from these forums. The topic leads to discussions that aren’t appropriate for children.

We have a responsibility to teach the younger members, but don’t think we have to be that descriptive. As I said, I’m old fashion.

 

[livingwordunity]

We have a responsibility to teach the younger members, but don’t think we have to be that descriptive. As I said, I’m old fashion.

Well, there’s no way to explain why homosexual and bisexual men get HIV/AIDS at a disproportionately higher rate than heterosexuals without mentioning specific sexual practices.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Well, there’s no way to explain why homosexual and bisexual men get HIV/AIDS at a disproportionately higher rate than heterosexuals without mentioning specific sexual practices.

I assume the younger members know how everything works. It’s enough to teach them there are dangers associated with any promiscuity, hetero, or homosexual.

 

[livingwordunity]

I assume the younger members know how everything works. It’s enough to teach them there are dangers associated with any promiscuity, hetero, or homosexual.

Well, many probably aren’t as innocent now as they used to be since now they are taught about sex at younger and younger ages not to mention how many now have easy access to porn.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Read your stats, if you didn’t list this one too, I think it is important.

1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don’t Know- CDC

I have seen that statistic disputed, saying they must have polled at gay bars only but it is from the CDC nonetheless.

To extrapolate that to the general gay/bisexual population is about as reasonable as taking the 21 most crime ridden cities in the US as representative of the US.

Well, I’d say it stands to reason that homosexual or bi-sexual men are more likely to have HIV-AIDs, you know what men are like! Plus, there’s no woman around to calm them down.

For me, that’s the best argument against same-sex marriage (especially for men). I mean, you put a bunch of men together without female influence, add some kind of sexual attraction or tension, and you’ve generally got a disaster in the brewing.

There’s a reason why men and women belong together. People who don’t see this - well, I don’t know how blind you can be. It may be a sign of the end of the world, as in the words of Bill Murray, like “dogs and cats, living together”!

The problem is more of what happens when you take a bunch of horny gays, put them in one place and mix in lots of alcohol, the bars are hooking up places.

Got it. Now that we’ve established that gay and bisexual mean are at vastly greater proportionate risk of contracting AIDS than hetero people are, what should we do or think differently than before we knew that? (If, in fact, it’s news to anybody)

In the West

“and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” - Romans 1:27

I can’t help but wonder if the due penalty “in their own persons” is HIV/AIDS because that’s what it sounds like.

HIV hasn’t been around that long.

I don’t have a problem with homosexuals who are struggling with same-sex attraction and who can admit to being sinners like how the rest of us can admit to that. My problem is with the “gay” activists who are currently one of the two main groups (the other is Islamic extremists) who are persecuting Christians in the world. And when I say “gay activist” I don’t necessarily mean only homosexuals since there are a lot of heterosexual “gay” activists who are persecuting Christians in the name of moral relativism.

I would like to remind you that both are only a small portion of their respective populations.

I agree to an extent. Some sins are worse than others. That’s why someone who teaches heresy, for example, must be publicly opposed because it’s a sin that can lead others astray.

It can be moral for the state to execute people unrepentantly preaching heresy because it is the deliberate spread of ruin to others.

It shows that the average homosexual is more promiscuous than the average heterosexual.

What this graph means:
45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

Median Reported Sex Partners
straight men: 6
gay men: 6
straight women: 6
gay women: 6

It says in biology that anal sex is more likely to spread diseases such as HIV/AIDS, and anal sex among actively homosexual men is about at 100% since they don’t have the option of a vagina.

There is a lot more things than just anal sex, for example the estimated rate of anal sex by gays was estimated at 8%. Today the percent who ever in their lifetime do so is 75% meaning 25% will never do so.

That’s a bit descriptive for a Christian forum, in my opinion.

It’s still speculation. I believe I’d stop ‘wondering’ if it was God’s punishment. I’m sure, as the Catechism teaches, promiscuity is a grave matter for any unwed person, and we know that homosexuals cannot receive that sacrament from the Church.

We should be careful how we offer fraternal correction. First we should approach them, one on one. If that doesn’t work, then we take a couple people with us. Lastly, we take them to the Church. Through those steps, we can lead them, or cause them to stay astray. If we’re unnecessarily crude, rude, or otherwise less than charitable, and cause them to stay astray, some culpability could apply. We need to treat them as the Church teaches.‘They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.’ They will know we’re Christians, by our love.

If that is God’s punishment then why didn’t God punish gays before HIV?

One must remember that the obligation of fraternal correction is to one’s fratres in Christo. One must also keep in mind that the way in which something is said can have a major effect on how it is taken and that in order to get someone to listen to something you have to say they need to want to listen.

 

[livingwordunity]

HIV hasn’t been around that long.

How do you know? Just because we only discovered it recently doesn’t mean that it wasn’t already in existence.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

If that is God’s punishment then why didn’t God punish gays before HIV?

One must remember that the obligation of fraternal correction is to one’s fratres in Christo. One must also keep in mind that the way in which something is said can have a major effect on how it is taken and that in order to get someone to listen to something you have to say they need to want to listen.

My statement was a recommendation to another poster to quit wondering if the diseases were God’s punishment.

I believe your last paragraph and my statement, that you quoted, say the same thing.

 

[livingwordunity]

My statement was a recommendation to another poster to quit wondering if the diseases were God’s punishment.

I believe your last paragraph and my statement, that you quoted, say the same thing.

God never uses diseases as a punishment? Are you sure about that?

Numbers 12
1 Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman;
2 and they said, “Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?” And the LORD heard it.
3 Now the man Moses was very meek, more than all men that were on the face of the earth.
4 And suddenly the LORD said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting.” And the three of them came out.
5 And the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forward.
6 And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the LORD make myself known to him in a vision, I speak with him in a dream.
7 Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house.
8 With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”
9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them, and he departed;
10 and when the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, as white as snow. And Aaron turned towards Miriam, and behold, she was leprous.
11 And Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord, do not punish us because we have done foolishly and have sinned.
12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he comes out of his mother’s womb.”
13 And Moses cried to the LORD, “Heal her, O God, I beseech thee.”
14 But the LORD said to Moses, “If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be shamed seven days? Let her be shut up outside the camp seven days, and after that she may be brought in again.”
15 So Miriam was shut up outside the camp seven days; and the people did not set out on the march till Miriam was brought in again.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

God never uses diseases as a punishment? Are you sure about that?

To be honest, no offense, but when I read it, it immediately made me think of John Hagee.

As another poster pointed out to you, premarital sex is a grave matter, whether it’s hetero, or homosexual. Either is displeasing to God.

 

[BroomWagon]

To extrapolate that to the general gay/bisexual population is about as reasonable as taking the 21 most crime ridden cities in the US as representative of the US.

So it still represents those 21 cities you are saying? A 20% HIV rate? That’s not too good.

 

[BroomWagon]

To be honest, no offense, but when I read it, it immediately made me think of John Hagee.

As another poster pointed out to you, premarital sex is a grave matter, whether it’s hetero, or homosexual. Either is displeasing to God.

Yes, and lying is a sin as well as speaking against the rights of other people’s lives.