Fasting Before Communion---An Odd Twist

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While I have already read the posts about fasting before communion in the past few hours, I want to share something that happened to me recently (I have deliberately changed some setting details, but the essentials remain intact).

A few weeks ago, I participated in a chess tournament on Sunday in a Northern city. The rounds for the chess tournament were 9AM and 3PM, and each of these two rounds could have theoretically lasted six hours. I did careful research on Catholic parishes near the tournament site (since I do not drive), and I found a parish within blocks of the hotel that offered a 7:30AM Mass. I wanted to attend Mass first and foremost on Sunday—I did not want to reduce my chances of attending Sunday Mass to a “lucky break” (i.e. the 9AM chess game only lasting fifteen minutes, enabling me to go to Mass and then come back for the 3PM round).

Since my non-believing parents never stop pestering me about my fasting habits, I decided to have breakfast before Mass—a relatively commonplace occurrence for me because I always “do it right” (timing everything safely). I finished breakfast at 7:12AM, and in my churches in my home state, Sunday Masses are always an hour, and I receive communion 55-65 minutes after Mass begins, so 7:30AM Mass plus 55 minutes is 8:25AM. I thought I was in the clear.

What happened next was nothing short of shocking. No songs were sung during the 7:30AM Mass. Non-sung parts to the end of the homily finished by 7:38AM (and the Mass started late). The Mass also omitted the shaking hands part—my first mass ever without shaking hands. And even though I strategically placed myself in the back, I found myself on line at 8:03AM to receive communion. In my home state, daily masses last 20-30 minutes…but the Sunday Mass is never this short!

Now before I go on, I want to share a few words about what I knew of the fasting regulations. Before consulting the posts tonight, everything I know of the fasting regulations comes from “Today’s Missal,” the newspaper-paper paperback book. The inside cover explicitly says (paraphrase) that “a person conscious of grave (mortal) sin is not to receive holy communion.” I understood that. But the inside cover only says that “to be properly disposed…one normally should have fasted for one hour.” The inside cover never explicitly says that it is a mortal sin to partake in communion if you had a fast of under an hour. A Catholic with no other knowledge about fasting regulations (me, in this case, on the aforementioned day) could never surmise it a sin to partake in communion less than an hour after fasting—based on reading Today’s Missal alone.

But in my mind at the time, I was basically thinking that I had to partake of communion (again, at the time, I did not know that while Mass is mandatory for Catholics, partaking in communion is not so, and one can simply receive a blessing). And I knew that if I didn’t partake of communion at the 7:30AM Mass, I would not be able to return to church later in the day because of the abovementioned tournament.

So I took communion, thinking that although this was not ideal, I had no intention of deliberately profaning the Eucharist, and I could very well not be back in church that day. The sticking point is that I did not know it was a sin—mortal or venial—to break the fast in such a way—albeit this was truly accidental and happened outside my control.

After Mass, I wanted to ask the priest a question about this. I was hoping for an assuring answer that I had already formed in my mind—that this happened for reasons outside my control, and that God’s mercy, through grace, triumphs over our weaknesses.

But the priest, clearly in a rush (perhaps because he was holding a heavy bag of tithes), simply motioned me over and laid penance on me—when I was only asking a question, and had no intention whatsoever of confessing a sin. Of course I did not argue with him, but I was flustered when he ran off from me.

Since a sacrament functions ex opere operato, then his application of absolution remains valid—whether he was busy or not paying attention to me. And I have received absolutions from priests during confessions in which I did not confess any sins.

But I was very much concerned over what had taken place. So I called a seminary with my (now multiplied) concerns. The priest at the other end seemed to tell me that intentionally desecrating the host is a sin, but a circumstance like mine was beyond my control and I should just forget the matter entirely.

This is the intended content of my confession on Monday morning when I go to church—as an issue, but not a sin. And when I give the number of days since my last confession, I will count back to a confession that happened seven days before this Sunday Mass.

Prayerfully hoping for (name removed by moderator)ut and looking forward to listening to others…
 
So I took communion, thinking that although this was not ideal, I had no intention of deliberately profaning the Eucharist, and I could very well not be back in church that day. The sticking point is that I did not know it was a sin—mortal or venial—to break the fast in such a way—albeit this was truly accidental and happened outside my control.
This is exactly why you have no reason at all to worry. Even if there were reason for you to worry, you have since received absolution and so you really, really have no reason to worry.

I agree wholeheartedly with the priest you spoke to on the phone. Please do not dwell on this.
 
Dear passus,

But there was one more thing the priest did say. He told me to do the Act of Contrition laid upon me as penance by the hurried/distracted priest during that brief time after Mass, in which I had no intentions of confessing a sin and only wanted to ask him a question. Well, the seminary priest did say it casually; he was like, “Oh, just do your Act of Contrition and enjoy the chess tournament.”

But doesn’t a confession = someone who confesses sins + God + a priest in whom the grace of forgiveness works by grace? The first one was not present at the time.

At this point, my intentions are to:

[1] Simply use next week’s Confetior part of the Sunday Mass to combine the “penance” (now in quotes) of the hurried priest with the normal function of the Confetior in a Sunday Mass

[2] To simply skip this whole incident in my counting of days since my last confession (and hopefully the confessor will think this okay after I explain this to him)

[3] To still regard the absolution as valid because it operates ex opere operato, and of course because it is a sign of God’s grace—after all, I have received absolutions in the past even though I confessed issues and not sins in past confessions

Again, praying for feedback…
 
The fact of the matter is that you did not at all sin in the first place. You were ignorant of the Church law regarding the disciplinary fast. You said yourself, “I did not know it was a sin—mortal or venial—to break the fast in such a way—albeit this was **truly accidental **and happened outside my control.”

On top of this, it was obviously not your intention to profane the Eucharist or break the fast, since you quite clearly very diligently went out of your way to plan this Mass in such a way (down to the minute) that you would be able to receive Holy Communion while honoring one hour window.
 
My policy regarding the Eucharist is, when in doubt don’t take it. That can save a lot of worry and anguish later.

I made it my own rule to fast one hour before the start of Mass so that I can’t possibly make any mistakes.

Rove
 
I agree with the “when in doubt don’t receive” unless for a very serious reason.But I don’t think the intent was here to sin so I agree with the Seminary response.
laid penance
Whatever do you mean by this? Do you mean a blessing?
 
Now before I go on, I want to share a few words about what I knew of the fasting regulations. Before consulting the posts tonight, everything I know of the fasting regulations comes from “Today’s Missal,” the newspaper-paper paperback book. The inside cover explicitly says (paraphrase) that “a person conscious of grave (mortal) sin is not to receive holy communion.” I understood that. But the inside cover only says that “to be properly disposed…one normally should have fasted for one hour.” The inside cover never explicitly says that it is a mortal sin to partake in communion if you had a fast of under an hour. A Catholic with no other knowledge about fasting regulations (me, in this case, on the aforementioned day) could never surmise it a sin to partake in communion less than an hour after fasting—based on reading Today’s Missal alone.
There is never a requirement to receive communion at Mass. Should you find yourself in a situation where you haven’t fasted for an hour, simply remain in your pew and make a spiritual communion. (Google it if you don’t know what that means.) As the missalette says, we are required to fast for an hour before receiving communion. That’s really minimal! When I was a child there was a 3-hour fast and in earlier years the fast was from midnight forward.

You seem to be concerned about having committed a mortal sin in ignoring the fasting requirement. In order for something to be a mortal sin you have to know it. Now you know and I’m sure you won’t do it in the future.
Since a sacrament functions ex opere operato, then his application of absolution remains valid—whether he was busy or not paying attention to me. And I have received absolutions from priests during confessions in which I did not confess any sins.
In order to receive absolution you have to confess a sin.

I’m guessing that as far as your hurried priest after Mass goes, you probably said you had some kind of concern and he said something like “say a good Act of Contrition.” It’s not the sacrament of Reconciliation and you didn’t receive absolution, it was simply his way of dealing with your immediate concern.
 
As the other posters have assured you, you did not commit a mortal sin because you did not intentionally descerate the host. Your intentions were to do what is right, and that is the most important thing. I think it’s wonderful that you made it a point to go to Mass, and I’m sure our Lord has blessed you for that. You will just know in the future that when in doubt, don’t receive. So stop beating yourself up - that is not what our Lord would want. The only time to beat yourself up is when you intentionally commit a sin. But as soon as it is confessed and absolved, it’s time to move on.

God bless you.

Mary
 
Replying to SuscipeMeDomine: The half-attentive post-Mass priest clearly told me to do penance and applied a bona fide (in his eyes, apparently) absolution. He even told me to repeat something (and I literally just mouthed the words—I forgot what he wanted me to say, and felt flustered and deeply shocked that he conducted the whole thing like a confession-session).

I have received absolutions from priests before—even though I did not confess sins but only requested blessings of encouragement. This happens quite frequently, actually.

Replying to Seatuck: The priest, indeed, said, “For your penance, say a good Act of Contrition and a Hail Mary.”

Replying to Brooklyn, roveau, passus: Thank you, through grace, for your reassurances. Roveau, I used to have that same policy—one hour fasting before Mass began—not as a safety reflex, but because I genuinely thought that as the rule. This belief persisted for months, until a casual Catholic Answers Forums search told me that the hour counted back from the moment of receiving communion, and not the beginning of Mass.

And now, what happened today—with yet another twist that makes this a little more complicated (but technically not for me, as we will see)—again, please note that I have altered many details to keep things anonymous:

I went to a “conventional confessional” (inside a church) at 8:25AM or so today. I had never made a confession at this parish before, but it was blocks away from my workplace, so I knew I could squeeze this in before my 9AM job.

So I basically told the priest everything I mentioned in my first post here. I even brought my missal with me—just in case I forgot the pertinent text in the inside cover flap about fasting (or its relative absence of discussion thereof).

There was one more detail that I left out in my original post—and I raised it in my confession. A friend drove me to the chess tournament (and church before that) on that Sunday. The friend had not confessed in about four years. She knew how worried I looked in my pew (and the reasons for my worry) throughout the Mass, as the liturgy moved with uncomfortable rapidity. She had finished breakfast at 7:12AM, like me, because we had eaten together beforehand. While I worried like wild, she seemed happy, telling me (during Mass): “*, they are so efficient.”

As the friend sprinted for her car after Mass, I went in the opposite direction, finding the priest. For those who have read my posts, you know what happened next.

But then, sometime near the end of my conversation with the priest, the friend runs over to the priest and blurts out, “I did the same thing!” The priest applies penance, gives absolution, and then bolts off.

But the friend had no idea what had actually happened in my conversation with the priest—since she was a distance away before she ran over.

During the car drive, the friend seems gleeful over the fact that she did not need to confess anything from whatever she did in her past four years. After all, she reasoned, she received absolution!

Working on a fine line, I effectively told her to put down the metaphorical brakes to her spiritual roller coaster on cloud nine, since I intended to speak to a priest of a seminary (over the telephone).

But of course, I am not the arbiter of her salvation. On the other hand, I felt compelled to tell her what had happened (just the plain facts, like a police blotter), blow by blow, so she could (through a prayerful conscience) determine whether or not she should do a confession based on her actions over the past four years.

Back to the actual confession:

When I confessed, I counted the days back to my last confession—done in a seminary.

The priest seemed very, very concerned about a less-than-thirty-minute Sunday Mass without the Sign of Peace between parishioners and any music, but he did not say anything specifically against the Mass (obviously).

He totally understood my situation, and told me that I did not sin—because all of this had happened outside my control. He did not even mention ideas of ignorance!

The priest even told me that what the hurried Priest did was totally wrong, and did everything but totally invalidate whatever the hurried Priest that day. He told me, “[The Priest] should not have done that.” He told me not to worry and applied a blessing.

For my part, I tried to be as charitable as possible; I said that the hurried Priest remained very distracted, etc. The confessor today, however, seemed quite firm in pointing out the wrongness of the actions of the hurried Priest. I had spent the better part of Sunday, after all, worrying like a wraith, and it adversely affected my chess tournament performance that day.

There remains a tiny unresolved part of these musings, but only because of what happened in the confessional today.

Suppose person XYZ finishes a meal at 7:12AM expecting to partake in communion between 8:25AM and 8:35AM for a conventional 55-65 minute Sunday Mass, but an extremely odd (so odd that it worried the Priest today!) Mass that literally breezes from 7:35AM to 8:05AM legally knocks out the chance of the parishioner to partake in communion.

I do not want to sound like some church-of-me in asking this question, but does it not seem kind of unfair for this sorry circumstance to happen? For me, of course, I will take all of your counsel and abstain from communion when in doubt. But what about others (however few of them!) in analogous situations?*
 
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eplying to Seatuck: The priest, indeed, said, “For your penance, say a good Act of Contrition and a Hail Mary.”
Did you go to confession? I thought you said you stopped him and asked him a question. Guess I read it wrong.
 
For a more concise version of events, please refer to the following timeline:

Last Sunday, 9 August: Chess Tournament in a state far away from my home has rounds of 9AM and 3PM, but I had already planned to attend a 7:30AM at a parish situated blocks away from the tournament site

9 August, 7:12AM: I eat my last bite of breakfast and then head off for 7:30AM Mass. Sunday services always last 55-65 minutes in my home state, so I assume that I will remain safe with my careful planning.

9 August, 8:03AM: The Mass proceeds way too quickly, and at this time I find myself receiving communion—51 minutes after my last bite of food. Because I have never attended Mass without having communion, and because I carefully plan things ahead (to keep up the fasting rule), I never really did any research into what happens for those who break the fasting rule. All I know remains confined to the few words mentioned in the Daily Missal—that those who have Holy Communion have normally fasted for an hour. The Missal remains otherwise silent on fasting issues, although it does spend some time saying that those in grave sin should not partake in Holy Communion. I feel considerable distress—for reasons outside anything foreseeable, I will now have communion less than 60 minutes after my last meal.

9 August, 8:10AM: I run outside the parish to talk to a priest and ask a question about the propriety of what I just did. I hope for the reassurance that this all happened for reasons outside my control, and that I naturally and reasonably expected a 55-65 minute Mass. Instead, a very inattentive/busy priest tells me to do a penance of One Hail Mary and an Act of Contrition and gives me absolution. Part of me wants to insist that this did not count as a confession, but obviously I do not wish to argue with the priest.

9 August, 8:11AM: To make things even worse, my friend (who has not confessed in four years) comes hurtling over to the priest and me—and then simply says (having not heard the content of my words with the priest), “I did the same thing!” The priest tells my friend to do penance and gives absolution. While in the car with me later on, the friend expresses her relief that she does not need to confess her sins of four years. I tell her, as gently as possible, to hold her horses—the whole thing might have never had validity.

10 August, 8:25AM: In a confession during which I only raise issues and do not confess sins, I count back to my last confession on 2 August 2009, completely discounting the abovementioned incident. The confessor comforts me and says that the hurried priest acted wrongly. The confessor assures me that no sin ever occurred, and all but calls the entire “confession/absolution/penance” invalid.
 
In the future, do not get wrapped around the axels about this sort of thing. If you have doubts about the time of fasting, simply stay in your seat and do not recieve.

We are NOT BOUND - repeat WE ARE NOT BOUND to recieve the Eucharist every Sunday. We ARE BOUND to attend Mass.

Next time you think you ate too close to Mass, then, stay in your pew and pray during the Eucharist.
 
Keep in mind - most people, some whole cultures, are nowhere near as aware of the timing of their actions as you are. You seem to have a very analytical, mathematical mind - hence the chess tournament in the first place. Lacking 9 unintended minutes in your fast, when it could even have been seen as inappropriate not to share in your parents’ meal, is just not a case for sin. Much greater is the case for the Divine Love with which Jesus wants to heal your heart.
Please move past this episode and spend your energy in faithful prayer instead of doubt and worry…
 
I thought the one-hour rule was a concession to circumstances. I worry about it a lot. When I was going to daily Mass sometimes I would watch the clock desperately, wear my watch and sit in back.
But if you didn’t know you didn’t know.
Then again, if the priest gave you a penance and asked you to say and Act of Contritition, regardless of whether it makes sense, I think it’s a matter of obedience. So you have to say it.
Your friend needs some clarification. I don’t know what to do about people who think that way.🤷
 
Sorry folks! I was out of town for a bit…but I wanted to reply to your thoughtful words.

To kage_ar (#12) and survive (#14): I have definitely moved past this incident, given what happened in my real confession (of issues, but not sins) on 10 August.

To gloria97000 (#13): Those more acquainted with the nuances of the faith naturally have more responsibilities. There are surely many people who do not count the minutes—this is a byproduct of a culture where things move quickly and people unfortunately do not have time to pause to think. If we lived 900 years ago, you can be sure to find people agonizing over eating food at 12:01AM on Sunday.

To everyone: A friend of mine, who is discerning on being a nun, totally agrees with my idea to telephone the diocese and talk about this disturbing incident (a Sunday Mass that lacked the shaking of hands, a priest totally inattentive to someone with just a question). I will probably do this tomorrow. I sense, however, that the person on the other line at the diocesan office will forget about this the moment our conversation ends, so I will likely write a letter (or many letters).
 
Has anyone ever told you that you might be suffering from scrupulosity? I would suggest that you look into this.

I think you’re making a huge, big, gigantic, gargantuan, monstrous, fat hairy deal out of virtually nothing.

You’re analyzing this whole thing to death! I can’t believe you wrote up a timeline, not just once, but a second “concise” timeline!

8:03?! You checked your watch to the minute?!

A lot of early Sunday A.M. Masses have no music, and a lot of churches have dispensed with hand-shaking during the Sign of Peace due to the resurgence of the Swine Flu. There is no “requirement” for hand-shaking, or a prolonged Sign of Peace during the Mass. And there is no requirement for music.

Our 6:30 A.M. Mass on Sunday mornings seldom lasts longer than a half hour. (As you can imagine, it’s quite popular with people who have a busy Sunday planned.)

And the reason the priest was inattentive is possibly because he was trying to get ready for the next Mass. Our parish does six Masses on Sunday, one right after the next, boom boom boom, only a half hour break in between. The poor priest might have been desperate to make it to the washroom or something!

Or maybe he was rushing to help someone who was truly in dire straits, e.g., a dying parishioner.

So not only did you analyze this whole situation to pieces, but now you’re going to prolong it by writer a letter?! Or “many letters?” You’ve got to be kidding!!

You sound like you are extremely self-focused. That’s not good.

And you don’t sound like you know very much about the Mass, hence your labelling of a Mass with no songs as “shocking.”

Shocking is a Mass with a woman priest.

Give this whole thing up. Drop it. No one will take you seriously. Move on with your life. Don’t major on such minors in the future. Stop examining yourself so intently. Look more at others.

And check out the scrupulosity possibility, please.
 
Hihi Cat =),

Oh dear, Cat, you were probably busy—there were a few things you missed in this thread that led to your accidentally misguided post!

As I understand it, scrupulousity arises when you see every little possible wrong thing as a sin—and somehow bring it up as a sin in a confessional or in quiet prayer before God. I arguably do not fit the scrupulosity suspicion because I never brought up any of these issues as sins (but you kind of have to look earlier in the thread to notice that).

If I wanted to “blow this out of proportion,” I would have brought this up to the pope. Since I am not doing that, I am not blowing this out of proportion at all. If you peek carefully at my words, you will not see the word “complaint” anywhere. When I telephone / write the diocese, I will relay this information dispassionately (neutrally), and phrase it as a prayer request. The diocese is not a sounding board for complaints, especially in this case. There is no intention of maligning the Mass or priest about this incident. And (again, you will have to look back in the thread) in my confession where I raised this issue as an issue (but not a sin), I actually defended the priest and tried to excuse him on the grounds that he WAS busy—although my confessor did go out of the way to say that the priest had done something wrong.

Masses without songs are not surprising at all. But I was led to believe (at least by a friend of mine) that hand-shaking was integral to the Mass; she cited Justin Martyr himself saying it to the Roman Emperor. But I guess that Justin Martyr did not know about H1N1, LOL.

My only concern actually has to do with the friend (mentioned in this thread) who saw (but did not hear) my hasty conversation with the priest, rushed in, recieved a ten-second-absolution, and then all but gloated over the relief over how she does not have to confess anything from her past four-five years (years in which she did not go to the confessional). But of course, it is her right to believe whatever she wants and I cannot force her to change her mind.
 
Dear Cat,

And on the timing—well, perhaps there are not many statistically minded people where you live.

I am not a Mathematics person at all—my strengths lie almost exclusively in English. But just to give you a flavor of the persuasion from which I hail: I have recently begun scanning all my school notes from Kindergarten / First Grade through my postgraduate education. I take notes on every homily I listen to in a Catholic parish (leftover of my previous Protestant life) and have my daily Bible Reading progress on a Spreadsheet (a leftover of my days in which I had to report my daily Bible Reading progress to the Protestant pastor in charge of me). So being methodical is just a quirk of mine—far from an obsession with legalism to the detriment of God’s grace.

I love keeping records, LOL.
 
Wow, no, my experience has been entirely to the contrary. Certainly there are those who pay no attention to the fast, out of lack of awareness or lack of understanding. But of those who are aware and understanding, I have found many of the most deeply spiritual not to consult their watches to the minute. Many of these are from countries outside the US, from cultures where nothing is done to the minute. They are attentive to those around them and to the flow of activities more than to where the second hand is pointed on their watch, in matters spiritual or just regular and secular. I have a pretty analytical bent myself, but have found it much more fruitful to let go of following time too closely!
 
Honeyspeak,
You have now spent more time writing about this that it took for the whole event to happen…
Now that you know an hour fast means an hour fast, just don’t receive again unless you have fasted. You don’t need to confess it unless you do it again now that you know. You did not confess this when you asked the priest a question. You obviously admitted your error, but it was not a sacramental confession. Your friend certainly did not make a confession, either, by jumping in with her “Me, too.” That was in way absolution for sin in your case or hers. She isn’t off the hook for 4 or 5 years of sins. She hasn’t confessed at all… The priest might have suggested that your make reparation to ease your conscience, but that doesn’t make your brief question a confession. Confession requires the intention of confessing your sins humbly and completely as you know them, listening to the advice of the priest, saying an honest act of contrition, accepting your penance and saying it. The priest has got to say the words of absolution to actually absolve you, not placate you and run off. He knew you weren’t confessing, you were just worried about a mistake.
You ought to stop over-thinking this (and your friend needs to go to confession for real)…
 
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