Fasting/no meat on ordinary Fridays

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Yet another amusing thread, well, I do need it for sure.
I just would like to add (yet) another perspective:
I am a Hungarian, with a mother who was born and raised in the pre-Vatican II Catholic faith and a Protestant father. There is one thing which brought them to an agreement on the Friday-question: their childhood and youth under Communism. Schools routinely fed children meat on Fridays and there was no escaping it, you couldn’t “opt out”! I even heard stories (and they were true) about principals force-feeding children of deeply religious Catholic families with meat on Fridays, esp. during Lent. It was done in order to deliberately hurt and humiliate them in their religious feelings.
Now even though my father is protestant, he does see the point in abstaining from meat. He had an aunt who would neither eat nor drink on Good Fridays! And the cruelty I described above had its effect on him, only not in the way Communists expected.

So those of you who are wondering which letter of the Canon Law could be interpreted in yet another way, just imagine how you would feel if you were deprived of the freedom to interpret if in the most straightforward, basic way, in the way it has been interpreted by the most people for such a long time. The question is not “why abstain?” but rather “why not abstain when you are free to do it, and it is the simplest way to go about the issue?”

Many who have suffered for the traditions of the Church wouldn’t believe their eyes seeing how this can be a matter of debate. It is so simple… It could be so simple! I was brought up in a free country, thanks God, so I had no issues with this. I was taught to abstain on Lenten Fridays and either not to eat meat or to give up something else or pray more on ordinary Fridays. And it was emphasized that Fridays were days of penance - whatever I chose to give up, I was obliged to examine my conscience more deeply and to pry for forgiveness.
It is all so simple!

BTW, I don’t eat meat very often. But I often find that I just happen to crave it on Fridays! But I do not give in, thinking “I haven’t had it for two weeks, surely I can do something else for penance.” No, to abstain from meat is the clearest, the simplest choice, it ties you to hundreds of years of tradition, why do away with it?
 
I kind of look at it the same way today Brother. I love seafood so eating shrimp instead of a steak is no sacrifice at all.

But what I have come ot the conlusion of is that the “meatless” Friday does serve two purposes for me. First, it brings back just a bit of the Catholic identity. I’m not a big fan of tradition just for the sake of tradition, but I think that we almost surely did chuck so many of the traditions that identified us with each other that, when coupled with the additional cultural changes, we have mostly loss our sense of Catholic community almost entirely. For me, trying to go back to that is a small way that I can proclaim my Catholicism.

The other reason is that even though it isn’t a sacrifice, it still takes a conscious effort. And when I make the conscious effort, it brings to mind why I am doing it. That will also then usually prompt extra prayers since God comes to mind more naturally because of that effort.

I’m not suggesting that anyone else should adopt this, but for me it is helpful, and Lord knows I need all the help I can get.

Peace,
I hear you brother John. We forget our identity. I was up in Denver end of March/early April for a conference on a Friday in Lent in which breakfast was served. Bacon, sausage, ham…the whole nine yards. National organization…You could count on one hand the number of Catholics. Fish was an option, however, for lunch. And, yeah, it’s a small t “tradition”.

The true fact of the matter is that this “tradtition” is still being celebrated here in south Louisiana. I normally opt for seafood on Friday-------it’s “tradition”. But my sons did not grow up with this except during Lent. The older I get, the more I realize that it is our “traditions” which flesh us out as Catholics.
 
I hear you brother John. We forget our identity. I was up in Denver end of March/early April for a conference on a Friday in Lent in which breakfast was served. Bacon, sausage, ham…the whole nine yards. National organization…You could count on one hand the number of Catholics. Fish was an option, however, for lunch. And, yeah, it’s a small t “tradition”.

The true fact of the matter is that this “tradtition” is still being celebrated here in south Louisiana. I normally opt for seafood on Friday-------it’s “tradition”. But my sons did not grow up with this except during Lent. The older I get, the more I realize that it is our “traditions” which flesh us out as Catholics.
Often it is those little things, in which we intentionally identify ourselves. Making the sign of the cross in public. Not wiping the ashes off your forehead as you leave church on Ash Wednesday when you know people are going to be giving you “the look”, wondering “what’s up with that?”

I’m slowly starting to incoroporate some of this stuff again, modeling it for my adult kids who are both still in the Church, rather than trying to push them into it.

I’m still more concerned that they “flesh out” their faith by living the gospel than by the outward tradititions, as that is more counter-cultural and will bring more questions about how to find that peace than ashes on our foreheads will. But the externals are good if there is a life that goes along with them so that they won’t present negative associations.

Peace Brother,
 
Or at least the deep-fried stuff. Fish is good for the heart. Christ knew what’s good for us.
Fish is a wonderful food, we have fast food fish joints around that are packed on Fridays, coincidence, who knows. Fried isn’t good for you, broiled on the other hand, WOW. Who thought fish could taste so good?

I think we should do both penance and corporal works of mercy. Not out of obligation as is the obvious point of this thread, but out of love for God and sorrow for having offended and hurt Him.
 
Yet another amusing thread, well, I do need it for sure.
I just would like to add (yet) another perspective:
I am a Hungarian, with a mother who was born and raised in the pre-Vatican II Catholic faith and a Protestant father. There is one thing which brought them to an agreement on the Friday-question: their childhood and youth under Communism. Schools routinely fed children meat on Fridays and there was no escaping it, you couldn’t “opt out”! I even heard stories (and they were true) about principals force-feeding children of deeply religious Catholic families with meat on Fridays, esp. during Lent. It was done in order to deliberately hurt and humiliate them in their religious feelings.
Now even though my father is protestant, he does see the point in abstaining from meat. He had an aunt who would neither eat nor drink on Good Fridays! And the cruelty I described above had its effect on him, only not in the way Communists expected.
So those of you who are wondering which letter of the Canon Law could be interpreted in yet another way, just imagine how you would feel if you were deprived of the freedom to interpret if in the most straightforward, basic way, in the way it has been interpreted by the most people for such a long time. The question is not “why abstain?” but rather “why not abstain when you are free to do it, and it is the simplest way to go about the issue?”
Many who have suffered for the traditions of the Church wouldn’t believe their eyes seeing how this can be a matter of debate. It is so simple… It could be so simple! I was brought up in a free country, thanks God, so I had no issues with this. I was taught to abstain on Lenten Fridays and either not to eat meat or to give up something else or pray more on ordinary Fridays. And it was emphasized that Fridays were days of penance - whatever I chose to give up, I was obliged to examine my conscience more deeply and to pry for forgiveness.
It is all so simple!
BTW, I don’t eat meat very often. But I often find that I just happen to crave it on Fridays! But I do not give in, thinking “I haven’t had it for two weeks, surely I can do something else for penance.” No, to abstain from meat is the clearest, the simplest choice, it ties you to hundreds of years of tradition, why do away with it?
An awesome and inspiring post. Strengthens my resolve to have tuna salad tonight for dinner (well, actually I’ll probably make salmon cakes, because I think we have canned salmon but I don’t think we have tuna! 😛 )
 
An awesome and inspiring post. Strengthens my resolve to have tuna salad tonight for dinner (well, actually I’ll probably make salmon cakes, because I think we have canned salmon but I don’t think we have tuna! 😛 )
I second this! 👍 Margita you are an inspiration to us all! God bless you and yours! :heaven:

P. S. Rawb, I would LOVE to have tuna salad…but I am the only one who will touch the stuff…oh well…just another “sacrifice”…if I can even call it that. :rolleyes:
 
first of all, welcome home to Rome! Convert less than a decade and you are asking good, solid questions? FABULOUS.

The best advice I can give another Catholic is, when in doubt go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

**1438 **The seasons and days of penance in the course of the liturgical year (Lent, and each Friday in memory of the death of the Lord) are intense moments of the Church’s penitential practice. These times are particularly appropriate for spiritual exercises, penitential liturgies, pilgrimages as signs of penance, voluntary self-denial such as fasting and almsgiving, and fraternal sharing (charitable and missionary works).
(emphasis added by me!).

One must be willing to follow the letter of the law with the right spirit. Do not put yourself under a microscope that God Himself won’t use.
 
One must be willing to follow the letter of the law with the right spirit. Do not put yourself under a microscope that God Himself won’t use.
Um, first of all, I hope I am not butting into someone else’s conversation. I think you were refering to me! I didn’t see any other converts, forgive me if I am wrong on this! :o

Anyways, whether or not you were referring to me, it is great advice! It fits me perfectly, as I tend to get very scrupulous! Thanks a million. 👍

God bless you and Mary keep you! :heaven:
 
So those of you who are wondering which letter of the Canon Law could be interpreted in yet another way, just imagine how you would feel if you were deprived of the freedom to interpret if in the most straightforward, basic way, in the way it has been interpreted by the most people for such a long time. The question is not “why abstain?” but rather “why not abstain when you are free to do it, and it is the simplest way to go about the issue?”

Many who have suffered for the traditions of the Church wouldn’t believe their eyes seeing how this can be a matter of debate. It is so simple… It could be so simple! I was brought up in a free country, thanks God, so I had no issues with this. I was taught to abstain on Lenten Fridays and either not to eat meat or to give up something else or pray more on ordinary Fridays. And it was emphasized that Fridays were days of penance - whatever I chose to give up, I was obliged to examine my conscience more deeply and to pry for forgiveness.
It is all so simple!

No, to abstain from meat is the clearest, the simplest choice, it ties you to hundreds of years of tradition, why do away with it?
Amen, Margita!!

It can be so very easy to get caught up in discussing the letter of the (canon) law, while missing the spirit of it:( . The whole idea is to do an act of penance of Friday. The whole idea of fasting and abstention during Lent or whenever, is to fast/abstain from sin. As faithful Catholics, we should be willing to do this joyfully and without bickering. After all, look what HE has done for us!

Christos Voskrese! (Christ is Risen!)

Jeff
 
Forget lent, I got that one. Eating meat on a Friday of lent mortal sin period! NEXT…
I didn’t know this was a mortal sin! Is this a dogmatic teaching of the Church? If so, where does it say this is the catechism or elsewhere? (…just thought it was venial) Also, is there any Biblical support for this?

I was just curious. I try to abstain from meat and fast every friday.
 
Since it’s Friday, the subject is on my mind. I went for a long time thinking “we gave up that no-meat on Fridays stuff”. Then I found out that wasn’t quite true, but it took me a while to incorporate the new teaching (with all it’s ifs, ands and buts) into my life. I found it was just easier to toss out the ifs, ands and buts, and now I do make a sincere effort to simply avoid meat on Fridays. What I have found is that it has a beneficial effect becuse it serves as another reminder of God, His gifts to us, and what should be our desire to respond to Him. It’s not difficult to avoid meat on Fridays, but it does take an act of the will, and sometimes a small but true act of denial. I’m glad I’ve incorporated this small act of homage into my life. It is one more opportunity to witness the truth that there can be real joy in loving self-denial.
 
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