fasting

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings 5Loaves,

Yes we were thinking about going to Our Lady of Fatima. I will also make it a point to go and visit Holy Virgin Cathedral. Thank you for the pointers there.

Uh oh, got to head over to the other thread and ask about the calendar situation. If you have time, please check out the thread What Draws you to the Eastern Church, as I have found many helpful people to answer my questions there. I would also like to hear your answer in that thread as well.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit

Greetings to the OP,

Sorry if the thread got a bit off topic, I had to ask a question or two.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit

 

[5Loaves]

Greetings 5Loaves,

Yes we were thinking about going to** Our Lady of Fatima**. I will also make it a point to go and visit Holy Virgin Cathedral. Thank you for the pointers there.

You should come Cheesefare Sunday. We make quite a disgusting feast of all things dairy and egg! We have a parish workday after our agape meal that day. Everyone will probably collapse after an hour . We rarely have meat with our meal so Meatfare isn’t such a blow out, tho our previous pastor was a great cook and usually made some amazing meat dish for that.

Holy Virgin also has Weekly Saint John Moleben served every Saturday at 5:30pm before daily Vespers & Matins at 6:00 pm.

I highly recommend you visit St. Nicholas Orthodox Church in San Anselmo. That’s me in the grey ponytail and black jacket watching Father toss the cross in the Creek. Check their calendar. Great Compline nights of Cheesefare Week is a great component of Great Lent. We don’t have it normally at OLF so many of us go to an Orthodox Church for that. St. Nicholas does Compline and Great Canon Mon, Tu, Wed, Th, that week.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Coptic Liturgies tend to be MUCH longer during fasting periods. When our monastery was still in CA we were very near St Anthony Coptic Monastery and we would visit each others Liturgies often. I remember asking one of the monks if the Liturgy in a parish would be as long as the one in the monastery and was told that in the parishes where Liturgy was only served once or twice a week the Liturgy would be much longer then in the monastery where the Liturgy was served every day. I believe the Copts are free to add anaphoras and other prayers to lengthen the Liturgy…I know there was often a lot of switching back and forth between different anaphoras…made it very difficult to try and follow along in a book.

Thanks but the answer did not answer the question on how the fasting practices are evident in the liturgy.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings 5Loaves,

I’ll try to make it by your church. Thanks for all of your help today in answering my questions.

Now back to the topic on hand. [My questions seemed to have got it a bit off topic].

God Bless,
Anathama Sit

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Why is it that Eastern Catholic have a much stricter fast than Latin Catholics?

Because our traditions and disciplines mirror those of the Orthodox, which are more stringent in general.

That said, as Vico pointed out earlier, fasting alone does not a Great Lent journey make. We are also called to increased prayer and works of charity.

BTW - good morning (on my side) to you Anathama Sit, and I do hope Vico finds your other thread.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

And a Good afternoon (on my side) to you ByzCathCantor, I think I am going to take a nap. And I do hope Vico does find the other thread.

 

[henrikhank]

You hear quite a bit about fasting if you hang out with those who consider themselves traditional Catholics.

 

[MonkMoses]

Thanks but the answer did not answer the question on how the fasting practices are evident in the liturgy.

My point was just that during periods of fasting the Liturgy is longer.

 

[Vico]

Thanks but the answer did not answer the question on how the fasting practices are evident in the liturgy.

I can comment on the fasting relative to the liturgy.

There is the Eucharistic fast, an also the ancient practice for the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts and for March 25 Annunciation where one fasts during the day until after the liturgy on that day. For example if the Typikon of St. Sabbas is followed then on March 25 the faithful maintain Lenten abstinence during the day and fast as they ordinarily would for an evening reception of Holy Communion. On the evening hours of March 25 Annunciation Festal Vesperal Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom occurs. After the Liturgy a festal meal (with mitigation of the fast to allow for fish, wine and oil) occurs but Lenten abstinence resumes at midnight. This is for those strictly following the Lenten fast.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I can comment on the fasting relative to the liturgy.

There is the Eucharistic fast, an also the ancient practice for the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts and for March 25 Annunciation where one fasts during the day until after the liturgy on that day. For example if the Typikon of St. Sabbas is followed then on March 25 the faithful maintain Lenten abstinence during the day and fast as they ordinarily would for an evening reception of Holy Communion. On the evening hours of March 25 Annunciation Festal Vesperal Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom occurs. After the Liturgy a festal meal (with mitigation of the fast to allow for fish, wine and oil) occurs but Lenten abstinence resumes at midnight. This is for those strictly following the Lenten fast.

It must be noted that while the Eastern Catholic Churches may state a stricter fast it is not what is required.

Just as the minimal fast stated by the Latin Church is just the minimum required.

One should work with their spiritual father (director) and/or their pastor to work out a fast that works for them as an individual.

 

[Vico]

It must be noted that while the Eastern Catholic Churches may state a stricter fast it is not what is required.

Just as the minimal fast stated by the Latin Church is just the minimum required.

One should work with their spiritual father (director) and/or their pastor to work out a fast that works for them as an individual.

Surely. At our parish, the bishop had said that that for Wednesdays and Fridays of the Great Fast, we should not expect to receive Holy Communion on those days without prior fast from meat and dairy on that day.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Surely. At our parish, the bishop had said that that for Wednesdays and Fridays of the Great Fast, we should not expect to receive Holy Communion on those days without prior fast from meat and dairy on that day.

Yes, and that stands for your eparchy, but that is not necessarily how it is for every Eastern Catholic.

Which is my point. Any questions about fasting should really be taken up with ones own spiritual father (director) and/or pastor.

Nothing else is binding but is mere opinion.

 

[Vico]

Yes, and that stands for your eparchy, but that is not necessarily how it is for every Eastern Catholic.

Which is my point. Any questions about fasting should really be taken up with ones own spiritual father (director) and/or pastor.

Nothing else is binding but is mere opinion.

Of course, according to the norms for each church in accord with CCEO Canon 882 “On the days of penance the Christian faithful are obliged to observe fast or abstinence in the manner established by the particular law of their Church sui iuris.”