Fate of Unbaptized Infants

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Evan said:
What’s incorrect. You need to expand on your responses.

The theory of Limbo. It’s a theory, so it’s not a teaching.

It’s not a bad place. I think being in a state of perfect natural happiness is quite nice.
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Your previous post was. As to your desire for clarification, space limitation and your post make that difficult if not impossible. If you desire right action study theology.

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The RCC only claims with certitude to know the fate of certain individuals whom we give the title Saint. ALL others the Church makes no claim. Your post seems to deny this basic Truth.
 
BrJuniper said:
Your previous post was. As to your desire for clarification, space limitation and your post make that difficult if not impossible. If you desire right action study theology.

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The RCC only claims with certitude to know the fate of certain individuals whom we give the title Saint. ALL others the Church makes no claim. Your post seems to deny this basic Truth.
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I like your answer. Although you seem to disagree with me, you last statement is exactly along the lines that I am claiming here. We don’t know the fate of Judas, Hitler, Bishop Sheen, my dad, and unbaptized babies. We leave them up to the mercy of God and look to what He has revealed.

We may be able to go and claim one other group is in heaven: baptized babies who never reached the age of discernment. But, this thread being about unbaptized babies, we have to go with: ALL others the Church makes no claim.
 
BrJuniper said:
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*What’s incorrect. You need to expand on your responses.

The theory of Limbo. It’s a theory, so it’s not a teaching.*

It’s not a bad place. I think being in a state of perfect natural happiness is quite nice .

Your previous post was. As to your desire for clarification, space limitation and your post make that difficult if not impossible. If you desire right action study theology.

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The RCC only claims with certitude to know the fate of certain individuals whom we give the title Saint. ALL others the Church makes no claim. Your post seems to deny this basic Truth.
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I don’t understand this disagreement either.

Evan said that he has a personal belief about what happens to babies that die without baptism but he acknowledges that the Church does not teach his belief as dogma. Nor does She make ANY dogmatic statement about what happens to babies that die without baptism.

As such, Evan admits he does not KNOW what happens to such babies.
 
Evan said:
I like your answer. Although you seem to disagree with me, you last statement is exactly along the lines that I am claiming here. We don’t know the fate of Judas, Hitler, Bishop Sheen, my dad, and unbaptized babies. We leave them up to the mercy of God and look to what He has revealed.

We may be able to go and claim one other group is in heaven: baptized babies who never reached the age of discernment. But, this thread being about unbaptized babies, we have to go with: ALL others the Church makes no claim.
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Exactly, and in the looking we see that we can say, with the greatest accuracy, that with intention they are in heaven. More important, for me anyway, is that when one posts on a public board like this, in order to give hope to those who may be in pain or doubt one MUST write so as to foster hope and emphasize the Love of God. I do not like seeing writings about RCC theology that could be interpreted to mean “your baby isn’t in heaven”, I consider that wrong, morally wrong.
 
This was an answer from EWTN Q & A section from 2010:
When Pope John Paul II wrote The Gospel of Life, he taught the following:
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“I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion. The Church is aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and she does not doubt that in many cases it was a painful and even shattering decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and his peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. To the same Father and his mercy you can with sure hope entrust your child.”
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And as Dr. David Reardon has written,
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Thus, even if God’s justice somehow demands that unbaptized babies must be denied the fullness of Heaven, in God’s mercy these same souls could still rest in the arms of Christ, if it is His desire to be with them. Furthermore, if these aborted children are confined to Limbo yet “living in the Lord,” because Christ comes to them, we must also remember that, as Christ told his apostles, “whoever has seen me, has seen the Father” (John 14:9). So, even if the unbaptized are unable to see our Triune God, in all his glory, face-to-face like the sun blazing in the fullness of the day, it appears likely that in the face of Jesus they can at least enjoy the glory of the dawn.
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His entire article is located at afterabortion.org/PAR/V5/n3/despair.htm
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Judie Brown
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I like to think they are like the Holy Innocents and are in Heaven.
 
BrJuniper said:
Exactly, and in the looking we see that we can say, with the greatest accuracy, that with intention they are in heaven. More important, for me anyway, is that when one posts on a public board like this, in order to give hope to those who may be in pain or doubt one MUST write so as to foster hope and emphasize the Love of God. I do not like seeing writings about RCC theology that could be interpreted to mean “your baby isn’t in heaven”, I consider that wrong, morally wrong.
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They go to heaven, period, end of discussion, moderator, end this ridiculous thread.

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And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, “Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:2-3)

Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” (Matthew 19:13-14)
 
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION:
THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS
WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED*

[SIGN]103 What has been revealed to us is that** the ordinary way of salvation is by the sacrament of Baptism**. None of the above considerations should be taken as qualifying the necessity of Baptism or justifying delay in administering the sacrament. Rather, as we want to reaffirm in conclusion, they provide strong grounds for hope that God will save infants when we have not been able to do for them what we would have wished to do, namely, to baptize them into the faith and life of the Church[/SIGN]

They go to heaven.👍
 
Hey, some people just don’t know. Isn’t that the reason for the Catholic ANSWERS Forum? The only “ridiculous” question is the one that isn’t asked.

Don’t make the OP feel like an arse for asking it.
 
You are right - there are such things as dumb answers though;)

NOT that I’ve EVER seen ANY on this forum though:rolleyes:
 
Before everyone flames me, I want to make it clear that I am NOT saying an unbaptized baby goes to HELL.

I am simply saying I happen to believe in the idea or theory of Limbo and I beleive Baptism is necessary for Salvation.

Jesus himself was baptized. That speak volumes.
 
BrJuniper said:
Is that intentional? No infant has intention so, if we apply your reasoning you just claimed Baptism invalid. Go figure. It is the intention of the Family. Take a class.
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You are very patronizing.
 
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