father and son, what come first?

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Maybe I just don’t understand your question but are you referring to God or people?
 
Well, both…
Sorry, I just edited the OP to avoid any confusion through much wording. I think the question itself is really clear on its own. Also I did it to allow much freedom of reflection without guiding its framing through my wording.

God bless
 
nablaise said:
father and son, what come first? 🙂
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You are assuming that there was a first. This eternal light shines from an eternal light-giver, like a ray shining out from a bulb that has been burning for eternity. What came first? Neither; they both always were. What is the source? The Father; the Son is produced from His Being.
 
Maybe I’m missing something here but it seems to me pretty obvious from their titles. The Son proceeded from the Father (although I’m not entirely sure what that exactly means). If the Father proceeded from the Son, then he would be the Son and the Son would be the Father. Makes my head spin :whacky:
 
the concept of the Trinity is supposed to make your head spin.🤷
 
Its deeper than people would initially thought. A father doesn’t become a father unless he has a child. He is just a man until the son comes. So the correct answer is that the father became a father when the son existed. Their existence happened at the same time.

Now, in relation to God, Jesus the Son is begotten from the Father. Beget simply means Jesus exists because the Father exists. Since they are both eternal, they have always existed. To put this in perspective, light a flame. Which came first, the flame or the light? The light comes out of a flame as soon as the flame is lit. There is always light when the flame is there. They happen at the same time. God is eternal and all 3 persons are there for all time. Even though the existence of God the Son and God the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, they all co-existed always, all the time. There was no point in time that one of them never existed.
 
(yeah the question seem to assume ‘a’ ‘first’…but not really…;))

if ‘father’ is before ‘son’, who would ‘father’ be father of ?🙂

Why do people even see separation between ‘father’ and ‘son’?

We can’t begin to count how much damage not thinking about these things has done and is doing in the world.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Its deeper than people would initially thought. A father doesn’t become a father unless he has a child. He is just a man until the son comes. So the correct answer is that the father became a father when the son existed. Their existence happened at the same time.

Now, in relation to God, Jesus the Son is begotten from the Father. Beget simply means Jesus exists because the Father exists. Since they are both eternal, they have always existed. To put this in perspective, light a flame. Which came first, the flame or the light? The light comes out of a flame as soon as the flame is lit. There is always light when the flame is there. They happen at the same time. God is eternal and all 3 persons are there for all time. Even though the existence of God the Son and God the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, they all co-existed always, all the time. There was no point in time that one of them never existed.
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I agree with you and I like those analogies. But those relationships existed ‘before’ the son of man, meaning also ‘Jesus’. I usually find that bring ‘Jesus’ into the equation at the beginning can causes some confusions, especially to those who think that God ‘became’ Father’ when Jesus ‘was’ born from Mary. You see what I mean…I think
 
nablaise said:
I agree with you and I like those analogies. But those relationships existed ‘before’ the son of man, meaning also ‘Jesus’. I usually find that bring ‘Jesus’ into the equation at the beginning can causes some confusions, especially to those who think that God ‘became’ Father’ when Jesus ‘was’ born from Mary. You see what I mean…I think
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Well, true that God was not revealed as a Father until Jesus became man, but that doesn’t mean He was never a father before that. Remember that in the beginning was the Word, so Christ was there from the beginning. The Word was with God and the Word is God.

So just because we didn’t receive this revelation until 2000 years ago, doesn’t mean it wasn’t the reality before that.
 
The Nicene Creed is clear on this matter.

They are co-eternal. The Son was eternally begotten, not made, before all ages.

In other words they’ve both (and in fact all three) have always existed.
 
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