father nicholas gruner

[fantasy_forever]

dont tell me I am the only one who likes father nicholas gruner here!

 

[John_Higgins]

You may well be.

Welcome to the boards.

John

 

[saint_rafael]

You are not the only one.

I support the courageous work of Fr. Gruner. He has been unjustly treated by the modernists who cannot stand his unwavering support for Our Lady and traditional Catholicism.

While this forum is listed as “traditional” on this website, you will find that this is missionary territory for traditional Catholics.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

Considering that he has been suspended from his priestly ministry, and is operating on his own without ecclesiatic approval, in a word- no. To my mind, he is no better than SSPX leadership, and possibly worse.

http://www.catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=41&repos=2&subrepos=&searchid=235251

http://www.catholicculture.org/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=3545&repos=2&subrepos=&searchid=235251

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=178728&highlight=gruner

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner_old.htm

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=72847&highlight=gruner

(Slide down to “Third Secret Reveled”) http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0009eye.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1995/9503fea2.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0301fea2.asp

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0607fea5.asp

I would recommend instead:
http://www.wafusa.org/

As Catholics, we are not required to believe Father Gruner, and many ecclesial authorities have warned us not to do so.

 

[Shoshana]

If it wasn’t for his disobedience, this priest would be the holiest in our diocese…he lives close by, not 30 minutes away.

 

[puzzleannie]

dont tell me I am the only one who likes father nicholas gruner here!

probably
what is to like about a priest who publicly denies magesterial teaching of the Church and promotes dissent and disobedience among the faithful?

traditional Catholics are devoted to maintaining obedience in practice and orthodoxy in belief, so obviously reject anything else.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

probably
what is to like about a priest who publicly denies magesterial teaching of the Church and promotes dissent and disobedience among the faithful?
traditional Catholics are devoted to maintaining obedience in practice and orthodoxy in belief, so obviously reject anything else.

Excellent response
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[ProVobis]

Fr. Gruner is known as the “Fatima” priest, isn’t he?

 

[saint_rafael]

probably
what is to like about a priest who publicly denies magesterial teaching of the Church and promotes dissent and disobedience among the faithful?

traditional Catholics are devoted to maintaining obedience in practice and orthodoxy in belief, so obviously reject anything else.

What Magisterial teaching does he deny?
There is none.

There is true obedience and false obedience as taught by St. Thomas Aquanis.

We obey God and the Catholic Magisterium. We do not obey clerics who teach error. Fr. Gruner had to be loyal to the truth and God. The Church has persecuted him because he speaks out on the truth of the Third Secret and the consecration.

 

[saint_rafael]

Recognizing that Father Gruner has every right under Church law to advocate his views on the Fatima Message, the Sodano apparatus devised what it thought was a foolproof plan to silence this inconvenient priest by indirection. Father Gruner’s Italian bishop—who had earlier told Father Gruner of “worried signals from the Vatican Secretary of State”—was pressured to order him to leave Canada and “return” to Avellino, Italy, where he had been ordained back in 1976, unless he found a new bishop to incardinate him. Sodano’s apparatus then took steps to prevent any other bishop in the world from incardinating Father Gruner. At the end of this devious process, the plan was to announce (through the Bishop of Avellino) that since Father Gruner had “failed” to be incardinated by another bishop, he must return to Avellino within 30 days (abandoning his entire priestly life’s work) or he would be “suspended” for “disobedience.” But the Sodano apparatus did not foresee at least two developments:

  First, despite all efforts to block it,** the Archbishop of Hyderabad agreed to incardinate Father Gruner. The Archbishop issued a formal decree of incardination declaring that "evil forces have conspired to destroy your [Father Gruner’s] work of love" and that "bureaucratic forces cannot stifle God’s work." In subsequent canonical proceedings, the Sodano apparatus (speaking this time through the Congregation for the Clergy) arbitrarily asserted that the incardination in Hyderabad was "non-existent" and that Father Gruner must still return to Avellino or be "suspended" for "disobedience" **since he had "failed" to be incardinated elsewhere. The Archbishop of Hyderabad, rejecting this arbitrary claim, strongly reaffirmed his decree of incardination with a new decree, after examining all the pertinent documents and finding no defect in the incardination.

fatima.org/apostolate/defense/notsusvir.asp

Letter of support from Bishop Dziwisz when he was Pope John Paul’s secretary from 2003:

fatima.org/apostolate/defense/dzisup0503.asp

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

In order for an incardination to be valid, the ordinary of the original diocese or religious superior must agree to an excardination. No excardination = no incardination.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[saint_rafael]

In order for an incardination to be valid, the ordinary of the original diocese or religious superior must agree to an excardination. No excardination = no incardination.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

You should read the whole article:

Second, since Father Gruner had been living in Canada with the written permission of the Bishop of Avellino since 1978, under Italian law it was legally impossible for him to return to Italy even if the order to return were just and valid. The Bishop had never taken any steps to obtain proper permissions for a foreign priest to enter an Italian diocese, including an entry visa supported by written commitments that the Bishop provide financial support, medical coverage and pension—for a priest who had been absent, with his permission, for more than 16 years and had not received one penny of support from Avellino in all that time.** The Bishop of Avellino has since ignored two written requests from Father Gruner for an explanation of how he can be expected to “return” to Avellino without any visa or guarantees of financial support, as required by Italian immigration law. Nor has the Bishop ever responded to Father Gruner’s notification that the Archbishop of Hyderabad considered Father Gruner to be incardinated in Hyderabad. Clearly, the Bishop himself has no interest in Father Gruner’s “return” to the Diocese of Avellino, which would involve legal work and substantial expense for the lifetime support and maintenance of a foreign-born priest whose services the Bishop has never needed. The Bishop is but a pawn in a canonical game contrived by the Sodano apparatus.**

fatima.org/apostolate/defense/notsusvir.asp

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

You should read the whole article:
Second, since Father Gruner had been living in Canada with the written permission of the Bishop of Avellino since 1978, under Italian law it was legally impossible for him to return to Italy even if the order to return were just and valid. The Bishop had never taken any steps to obtain proper permissions for a foreign priest to enter an Italian diocese, including an entry visa supported by written commitments that the Bishop provide financial support, medical coverage and pension—for a priest who had been absent, with his permission, for more than 16 years and had not received one penny of support from Avellino in all that time.** The Bishop of Avellino has since ignored two written requests from Father Gruner for an explanation of how he can be expected to “return” to Avellino without any visa or guarantees of financial support, as required by Italian immigration law. Nor has the Bishop ever responded to Father Gruner’s notification that the Archbishop of Hyderabad considered Father Gruner to be incardinated in Hyderabad. Clearly, the Bishop himself has no interest in Father Gruner’s “return” to the Diocese of Avellino, which would involve legal work and substantial expense for the lifetime support and maintenance of a foreign-born priest whose services the Bishop has never needed. The Bishop is but a pawn in a canonical game contrived by the Sodano apparatus. /B]fatima.org/apostolate/defense/notsusvir.asp**

Be that as it may, civil law, or inaction do not automatically waive or change Canon Law
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[bobzills]

what is to like about a priest who publicly denies magesterial teaching of the Church …

Can you tell us, specifically, what magisterial teaching of the Church is denied publicly by Father Gruner?

 

[roguejim]

Can you tell us, specifically, what magisterial teaching of the Church is denied publicly by Father Gruner?

Yes, I’d like to know, too. I’d hate to think that a priest was being slandered here.

 

[thistle]

Yes, I’d like to know, too. I’d hate to think that a priest was being slandered here.

ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner_old.htm

 

[Shoshana]

ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner_old.htm

This is what is so confusing ot he Catholics…this is taken from EWTN but Mother Angelica herself disputes that the Secret was totally revealed:

As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing. . . . There, you know, that’s my opinion. Because I think it’s scary." -Mother Angelica
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2005/05/a_day_that_will.html

 

[SongofShepherds]

You are not the only one.

I support the courageous work of Fr. Gruner. He has been unjustly treated by the modernists who cannot stand his unwavering support for Our Lady and traditional Catholicism.

And making tons of $$$ doing it!

He does nothing but criticize others, does little or nothing for the Poor.

He certainly fits being a Trad!

 

[SongofShepherds]

This is what is so confusing ot he Catholics…this is taken from EWTN but Mother Angelica herself disputes that the Secret was totally revealed:

As for the Secret, well I happen to be one of those who thinks we didn’t get the whole thing. . . . There, you know, that’s my opinion. Because I think it’s scary." -Mother Angelica
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2005/05/a_day_that_will.html

When is this quote from?

---

"May 11, 2007

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Despite claims there are still secrets connected to the apparition of Our Lady of Fatima, Pope Benedict XVI and his secretary of state said the entire message has been published and has been interpreted accurately.

The Marian apparitions to three children in Fatima, Portugal, began 90 years ago May 13, and Pope John Paul II ordered the so-called “third secret” of Fatima to be published in 2000.

The two men worked with Pope John Paul to publish the “third secret” and to write an official commentary on it, describing its depiction of a “man dressed in white” shot down amid the rubble of a ruined city as a prophetic vision of the 1981 attempt to assassinate Pope John Paul.

In the new book, Cardinal Bertone said Carmelite Sister Lucia dos Santos, at the time the last surviving visionary, confirmed the Vatican’s interpretation.

The continuing rumors that the Vatican is still hiding something puzzle Cardinal Bertone and, he said, they irritated Sister Lucia, who died in February 2005 at the age of 97."

• catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0702669.htm

See Fr. Gruner referenced to in the article as well.

 

[ProVobis]

And making tons of $$$ doing it!

He does nothing but criticize others, does little or nothing for the Poor.

He certainly fits being a Trad!

First sentence, no definition of “tons.”
Second sentence is criticism.
Third sentence is generalizing.

But I’ll give you credit for not signing “Prayers and blessings.”