Father why have you forsaken me

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Non catholic groups are using this verse from the bible, according to them this is a proof that jesus is not God…

May i ask, how will you explain this verse… “Father why have you forsaken me”
 
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Non catholic groups are using this verse from the bible, according to them this is a proof that jesus is not God…

May i ask, how will you explain this verse… “Father why have you forsaken me”
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Which verse? The words spoken by Our Lord from the cross? Or the Psalm it appears he was praying? (22)

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With this line, Jesus offers up the greatest words of Praise He could have from the Cross.

Read all of Psalm 22 and you’ll get the picture.

While you’re at it, Read Psalm 31 and see if you hear the same praise. Jesus references that when He says, “into your hands, I commit my Spirit”.
 
A pious Jew will recite Psalm 22 if he believes he is about to die. He will draw out the beginning of the first verse in the hope that he may die with the name of the Most High upon his lips. Death “kisses” you and draws out the final breath.

Matthew
 
I think it was more than just quoting Scripture. I think He ment it and felt it when He said it on the cross for a moment at least. Being the fulfillment of the Scripture He both lived and died by them almost literally.

In fact it is because I think He truly felt abandoned by God that is my proof that God never leaves us- me specifically. Christ lived a human life with all of the same experiences and temptations that we experience to include hunger, poverty, lust, power… overcoming all of them perfectly.

I think Christ knew His divinity and purpose all His human life, but that would be the only thing God could not have experienced as our Judge; being abandoned by God. I think it was only through being human could He show us that that particular fear is unwarranted.
 
Jesus is part of the Trinity. He cannot exist without God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

He was never abandoned…
 
If you believe in Scripture----

At the begining of the book of John we learn that the “Word” is someone, not something.

1 In the beginning was the Word: the **Word was with God **and the Word was God.

2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 Through him all things came into being, not one thing came into being except through him.

4 What has come into being in him was life, life that was the light of men;

5 and light shines in darkness, and darkness could not overpower it.

And if you look at the begining of the book of Genesis you’ll notice God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth.

God the Father

2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the **spirit of God **moved over the waters.

God the Holy Spirit

3 And God said: Be light made. And light was made.

The Word of God, before He came in the flesh, Jesus

26 God said, “Let us make man in **our **own image, in the likeness of ourselves, and let them be masters of the fish of the sea, the birds of heaven, the cattle, all the wild animals and all the creatures that creep along the ground.”

The Holy Trinity

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Back to the book of John**

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me: because he was before me.
16 And of his fullness we all have received, and grace for grace.

17 For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only **begotten Son **who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Begotten =1. spawn, sire, breed, father, (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).

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Our children share our nature,they are human beings because we are.

Jesus shares His Fathers nature, He is God because the Father is God.

Jesus also shares His mothers nature,He is human because she is human.

All of us have one nature we are human.

Jesus has two natures He is both human and Divine. because of His parents.

And because Jesus is one with His Church His Church is both human and Divine.

We make up the body of His Church that is the human part. Jesus being one with His Church, and the Holy Spirit guiding it. That is the Divine part.

Through Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium. This is how I know Jesus is both, at the same time, human and Divine.**
 
In a similar thread, I pointed out that Jewish children memorized the OT. One method, used both for this was for the Rabbi to say the first few words of a passage, and the children would recite the rest.

It was also used later, during discipleship, to help them think. For instance, the Rabbi might answer a question about needing help by quoting, “From whence does my help come?” That’s from Psalm 121:1, and the next line is, “My help comes from the LORD, who made heaven and earth.”

In such a way, the Rabbi could use Psalm 22’s first line, " My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" to remind them that, no matter how bad things might get,
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...dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations. 
Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive. 
Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation, 
and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he  wrought it. (Ps 22:28-31, RSV)
And that’s just what I think Jesus was doing - reminding His disciples of God’s promise in Ps 22.

Ruthie
 
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