Fatherless shooters. Fatherless families

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In a speech for Father’s Day 2008, Senator Barack Obama was emphatic: “We need fathers.” He explained: “We know the statistics—that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.” Obama added: “Of all the rocks upon which we build our lives … family is the most important. And we are called to recognize and honor how critical every father is to that foundation.”

And yet, as this article’s author states, “what today’s liberals are advocating is actually far worse than fatherless families, as they are agitating for motherless ones as well. Thanks to the nature-redefining left, there will be a new generation of children deliberately raised without dads and moms and with the sanction and celebration and coercion of the state and culture and the leftist forces of “tolerance” and “diversity.”

Fatherless Shooters … as Liberals Push for Fatherless Families
 
Were any of the 26 out of 27 school shooters mentioned in the article raised by a gay couple? If not, then there is no reason to tie the two things together here. Just seemed like a rant.
 
No, but the family unit is vital to sociey’s well being. It’s a logical leap for the article, but still true at its core
 
Last time God did that there was a lot of water. Better stay close to Williamstown just in case.
 
Give President Obama his due. He had a near fatherless experience himself. his mother remarried, and Obama at least had someone being as a father in his life. He also had grandparents. And later his father came for a visit. And they rekindled. It’s in no way supporting the disingenuous logic/reasoning he supports abortion. And yet talks about fatherless. In fact, if someone has an abortion, then that still makes the father, fatherless when his child is gone. It’s a twisted sort of logic and reasoning most often those who align with that thinking.

Obama went through all the mishaps of his youth. Wild teenager. Wild college student. And even as he was a lawyer, did some bad things. But, even when he fell, he picked himself up and went back to being a lawyer. I don’t agree with this philosophy. He’s an understudy of Nietzche. That is bad. But he at least kept himself out of prison, and remained with his wife, family, and children. That I applaud him for, though in error he stands on the protection/defense of human life since conception.
 
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While I totally agree with the OP’s suggestion that the deterioration of the family from many fronts, including the re-definition of marriage and the war on drugs, someone who is pro-homosexual marriage could easily point to the logical disconnect here, namely, that what is being called a fatherless family is a single parent family.

I would bet that the correlation would be stronger between those families with two parents over those with one.
 
I don’t think that would help. A lot of the stuff that happened in the Old Testment is pretty screwed up.
 
The main issue with fatherless families is that they are single ones. We don’t hear much about motherless families because women are much more likely to take charge and work their butts off to support and raise a family. Men are so much more likely to simply walk away. This sets a poor example for both boys and girls.

To transfer this idea blindly to same sex couples is ridiculous. Same sex couples generally have to go through extra steps to raise a child, usually adoption, as opposed to a very likely unstable family or dating relationship that resulted in a child. What matters most is stable two person couple dedicated to raising their child.
 
Every child has a father and a mother. Every child should be able to connect with his father and mother in a permanent marital family relationship consisting of father, mother and child. Why do we not recognize the child’s right to a father and a mother? Instead, the child may be deliberately denied a relationship with his father or mother—through being born of unmarried parents, parents who abandon him, through divorce or IVF, or through same sex marriage which purposely deprives the child of either father or mother.
 
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We don’t hear much about motherless families because women are much more likely to take charge
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I disagree. At least where I live, judges are just more likely to award custody to women than to men.

My brother is currently locked in a vicious custody battle. He wants 50/50 split custody with his ex. He is determined to be involved in his kids lives. However, she has priority custody. She alone gets to sign off on extracurricular activities, she alone gets to make many decisions my brother should be involved in.

All because she’s just determined to cut my brother out of his kids lives. The presiding judge that issued the original custody arrangement just happened to be a member at her fathers country club.

I’ve known many men who want the chance to be fathers, but whose ex’s will not allow them access to their kids. That child support check means more to them than their children having a father.
 
Tye problem with what you are saying is that you ignore the fact that fathering and mothering are very different, and a child needs both.

If you were to look at the history of what we said about the effect of divorce on children from the 1960s to now, you would see that there have been changes in what we know of the effects of divorce. It is only now, 50 years later, that we are seeing these full effects, many of which were predicted back then.1
 
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JanSobieskiIII said:
I disagree. At least where I live, judges are just more likely to award custody to women than to men.
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This is not exactly the situation I was talking about. The are too many times that the guy just gets up and walks a way or never engages.

As for your brother, divorce can be just as bad especially when it is messy. Fighting over primary custody can be yet another power struggle as anything else. I’m not doubting your brother wants to be a good father, but even you don’t truly know what’s going on. Obviously he’s your brother and it’s ok to support him too.
 
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Tye problem with what you are saying is that you ignore the fact that fathering and mothering are very different, and a child needs both.
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In my own extended family I have a macho man uncle and a highly nurturing one the other couples are basically gender neutral in their parenting. All of them with children except one, who was a verbal abusive dour old man, have been happy ones and all marriages have only ended via death or are nearing 50 years together.

The only two cousins I have with real damage from parenting are the ones raised by my abusive uncle. One cousin keeps getting into abusive relationships. The latest is getting back with the man she just divorced while she has children adopted from an abusive family who also happen to be afraid of this man. Mind you she moved half way across the nation to get away from him. Her brother has had trouble forming friendships with stable individuals and has been highly unsuccessful in dating.

So yes, I agree that differences in personalities helps children a lot and men and women tend to have a good mix of those differences. However the quality of those parents are much more important.
 
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Well, sure, a lot depends on the individuals involved, which is why pollsters don’t just ask their relatives whom they are voting for. While overall, children of divorced parents don’t fare as well as those from intact families, there are individual children from each who do not follow those norms.

I guess well find out the results of this experiment in another 50 years…
 
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