Fathers opting out of child support

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Lexee,

I think most of these arguments are referring to out-of-wedlock births, not babies conceived by married couples having the legal protection that a marriage provides. By the way, how are you feeling? I haven’t seen you post for a few days and was getting worried.
 
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I have to agree with the suit. Since abortion is “legal” a man’s only responsibility should be to pay the abortion bill or the equivalent. By doing so he would forever terminate his parental rights to the child. DNA testing should be done either after the abortion or birth to confirm his paternity. If he was not the “father” then he should get a full refund for the abortion cost and double it as a punitive damage.

Abortion is immoral and always wrong but within the dynamic of “choice” the woman had a choice to contracept as the man does, they could abstain but only she can choose to continue to term or terminate and he has no say. Either the man gets to say yeah or nay on abortion or he should not have to pay child support if he did not want to have children. She should not be able to have it both ways.

Obviously, this takes further down a crazy wrong road but feminists should be forced to be logically consistent.
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So, what you’re saying is that since women have the choice to act in a grossly evil manner, men should be allowed to do so, also?
 
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So, what you’re saying is that since women have the choice to act in a grossly evil manner, men should be allowed to do so, also?
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But this is an issue in the courts and the courts have never said abortion is evil. For the Church, abortion is an intrinsic evil and if a man (or for that matter a woman) said let’s abort the baby, that would be sin.
 
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Lexee,

I think most of these arguments are referring to out-of-wedlock births, not babies conceived by married couples having the legal protection that a marriage provides. By the way, how are you feeling? I haven’t seen you post for a few days and was getting worried.
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Hi Cupofkindness, I’m doing well…just getting along day to day, thanks for asking.
As for referring mostly to out-of-wedlock births, it certainly doesn’t seem like it if you read some of Ronin’s earlier posts. Ronin actually makes the comment that maybe if there were no child support or if custody was 50/50 automatically we would see a decline in divorces…this comment is specifically targeting children of marriages. That is why I made the comments and am taking it a bit more personally…could be hormones too 😃 !!!
 
Now that this has been digested by many, the subtle purpose of this case should be identified.

That being hinted at in the title.

Roe v. Wade for Men.

What this lawsuit is doing is attack the Roe v. Wade issue from a completely different angle. If anyone saw the CNN piece - I think it was Anderson (?) some of the pieces of the puzzle were layed out.

Roe v. Wade gave women the “right” to abortion at their discretion. What say did it give men in that decision? None. This suit seeks to make the sexes equal in that decision.

Of course, all Women’s groups are up in arms.

One would think that Catholics would all be in favor of anything that could reduce the number of abortions in this country…
 
I may have to reconsider my previous posts in this thread.

After rereading this thread in it’s entirety, I remember why I believe that the financial responsibility for a child should be shared by both parents.

It takes two to tango. If you’re not ready to accept the consequences, regardless of what either party may say at the time, then don’t dance.
 
Unwanted children should be allowed to be adopted by a loving adoptive mom and dad. Bio dad does not pay child support, mom does not suffer the pain and guilt of having an abortion. Of course if the bio parents were living a chaste life in the first place, “dad” wouldn’t have to worry about paying for his fun and “mom” wouldn’t have to give up a child she carried for nine months.

Love and peace,

Mom of 5
 
This discussion has brought out alot of things. I think for the christians it should show just how much the secular demands and desires of the world have encroached on the lives of all of us in someway and now its down to people wrangling about who pays for which child and how much.

I am sorry to say that there was much complacency in many christian groups when no fault divorce was being pushed through. Partly because many christians wanted it. And many a christian youth jumped in on the sex revolution and supported abortion. Christian woman were out there sideing with gays and secular people for womans rights even though they did not really think through the consequences of being made"equal" to men. The dark side of many of these things have reared there ugly face. Just like the gay marrige issue. Many christians are for it and yet are so ignorant to the impact it will have on the majority traditional heterosexal marriage. The advocates for it just like the previous issues mentions like to raise oveblown emotional things so you don’t have the peace of mind to think the consequences through and the effect they will have.
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Like people are wooing about how there are not enough people for the social security issue yet we have aborted 40 million people who would have been tax paying citzens as an example.
Divorce is a huge money making buisness. 50/50 custody would only line the pockects of lawyers to continue to have to be involved and counselors for the children and all members involved. The judges would be ordering this at record speed to handle the problems. Go figure if the couple can communicate enough(and it would take alot) to work out that then they probable would not have divorced and would have been able to sovle their problems. I am wary of anything being proposed by the folks who make money on divorce promoting better divorce solutions yet never promote reconcilliation programs.
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For me and my house I will follow the lord.  and teach my children to do the same.  To value the life given and the ones God may grant you to bring into the world.  To cherish each day and live it according to his will.  To hold our intimacy as a gift and be particular when and with whom you will ultimately choose to share life with.  

More christians living the christian life will narrow many of these issues to the secular unbelievers.  Then maybe by example they to will choose the less hagered life they see us live.  

By the way I am a victim of the very issues from our society.  The laws were allowed and many an innocent person will suffer from them.  All we can do it get back to the basics of living according to Christ laws and ensure we teach our children the same.  When I hear that christians divorce. have children out of wedlock and abbort at about the same rate as non christians the arguements of how much child support seems trivial in comparison.  Child support is important and i held my spouse to the letter of the law to be able to provide for my our children.  But I am sorry it came to that.
 
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