Fatima and children in Purgatory?

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Somewhere I read that the visionary children at Fatima were told their friend, who was a child, was in Purgatory. Can anyone elaborate on this?

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There was a young lady who was friends with the visionaries at Fatima. When the children asked Mary if the young lady was saved, Our Lady told the children that she will go to heaven, but will be in purgatory until the end of the world.
 
PraiseChrist said:
There was a young lady who was friends with the visionaries at Fatima. When the children asked Mary if the young lady was saved, Our Lady told the children that she will go to heaven, but will be in purgatory until the end of the world.
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Until the end of time? Wow!!! That’s scary!
 
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There was a young lady who was friends with the visionaries at Fatima. When the children asked Mary if the young lady was saved, Our Lady told the children that she will go to heaven, but will be in purgatory until the end of the world.
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This raises several questions with me: Presumably the Fatima children, and most likely others who have read this part of their story, would have offered prayers for this girl in Purgatory. What does this statement mean in terms of what the Church teaches about praying for the Souls in Purgatory and obtaining indulgences on their behalf ? And also, I thought that Purgatory - and Heaven and Hell for that matter, were “outside of time.” If this is so, how can a temporal measure (“until the end of the world”) have meaning in a setting that is outside of time?
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
This raises several questions with me: Presumably the Fatima children, and most likely others who have read this part of their story, would have offered prayers for this girl in Purgatory. What does this statement mean in terms of what the Church teaches about praying for the Souls in Purgatory and obtaining indulgences on their behalf ? And also, I thought that Purgatory - and Heaven and Hell for that matter, were “outside of time.” If this is so, how can a temporal measure (“until the end of the world”) have meaning in a setting that is outside of time?
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Hey,

Though purgatory is outside time, it doesn’t last forever; the Holy Souls in purgatory will be released eventually with unimaginable holiness.
I think that once we pray for that person (and those children of Fatima probably did in their countless rosaries) then they’ll receive those graces. So, that young woman probably received those prayers from the children (but we don’t know for sure if she’s still in purgatory)

OP, I notice that you’re posting a lot on the 4 Last Things and eternity. That’s very, very good and necessary, but don’t let it get you discouraged. All the best!
 
CCC 1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84

1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this **temporal punishment **of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on The “New Man”.

Peace
 
CCC 1478 An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.

1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the **temporal punishments **due for their sins may be remitted.

Peace
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
This raises several questions with me: Presumably the Fatima children, and most likely others who have read this part of their story, would have offered prayers for this girl in Purgatory. What does this statement mean in terms of what the Church teaches about praying for the Souls in Purgatory and obtaining indulgences on their behalf ? And also, I thought that Purgatory - and Heaven and Hell for that matter, were “outside of time.” If this is so, how can a temporal measure (“until the end of the world”) have meaning in a setting that is outside of time?
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Just pray for her and all Holy Souls and leave the rest up to God!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
MainBrain said:
Somewhere I read that the visionary children at Fatima were told their friend, who was a child, was in Purgatory. Can anyone elaborate on this?

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If my memory serves me right she was about 18 years old when she died. God Bless, Memaw
 
MainBrain said:
Somewhere I read that the visionary children at Fatima were told their friend, who was a child, was in Purgatory. Can anyone elaborate on this?

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John Haffert wrote about this in English. I remember him as a remarkable man who had tried his vocation as a Carmelite friar before discerning that he was called to live his life in the world. I have the fondest memories of his efforts to promote Fatima as well as the Carmelite scapular.

I think what he wrote is as good as anything I have read in the other languages. Amelia was not a child. She was a young woman.

johnhaffert.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Shocking.pdf
 
I can see that that would be millions upon millions who are not prayed for literally by name, but surely we say ‘May his/her soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, rest in peace’ at funerals etc.?

True, that’s referring to the faithful departed, not everyone.
 
MainBrain said:
Until the end of time? Wow!!! That’s scary!
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Why is that scary. If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be very happy because it means I have been saved and my next step is Heaven no matter how long it takes.
 
thistle said:
Why is that scary. If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be very happy because it means I have been saved and my next step is Heaven no matter how long it takes.
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I guess my Protestant background is not used to the idea. I am a Catholic Revert. I am hoping we can still enter Heaven directly.
 
paperwight66 said:
I can see that that would be millions upon millions who are not prayed for literally by name, but surely we say ‘May his/her soul, and the souls of all the faithful departed, rest in peace’ at funerals etc.?

True, that’s referring to the faithful departed, not everyone.
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How do we pray for those in Purgatory?
 
Don_Ruggero said:
John Haffert wrote about this in English. I remember him as a remarkable man who had tried his vocation as a Carmelite friar before discerning that he was called to live his life in the world. I have the fondest memories of his efforts to promote Fatima as well as the Carmelite scapular.

I think what he wrote is as good as anything I have read in the other languages. Amelia was not a child. She was a young woman.

johnhaffert.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Shocking.pdf
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Don thank you for the link.
 
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