Fatima Challenge conference

[jdnation]

Earlier this month in Rome a conference was put together by Fatima experts primarily to address the historical controversies over the questions of

1. Whether the Vatican released the entire third secret
2. Whether the Consecration of Russia was done as Our Lady of Fatima specified

It also looks into the state of the Church, the world and Russia today, as well as covers some great topics such as comparisons between Our Lady of Fatima and Blessed Karl, the Peace Emperor and then Benedict XV.

There’s also discussions about the current European Union, the world Economy, Feminism, Freemasonry and Communism and many other things that show why Fatima is extremely important today.

There are a lot of videos here of lectures and discussions, and even Crossfire panels where the panelists are questioned and asked to explain their views etc.

I highly recommend everyone check it out. The main website is here:
fatimachallenge.com/

And you can the list of videos here, great to watch or listen to in the background:
fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111&Itemid=15

In light of Pope Benedict XVI’s recent comments onboard a plane to Fatima that the third secret also has much to do with what the Church is facing today and the enemy within the Church, this is highly relevant and the Church could posess the means to resolve everything!

 

[kepha1]

Christopher Ferrara? Father Nicholas Gruner ? Are you serious? These guys are insane radicals and blatant liars.

FR. NICHOLAS GRUNER, suspended priest/cult leader

ewtn.com/expert/answers/fr_gruner.htm

Therre is a discussion on Fr. Gruner at Pat Madrid’s “Speak Your Mind” forum.

FATHER NICHOLAS GRUNER
THE MAN WHO HARMS OUR LADY OF FATIMA
Father Nicholas Nightingale Gruner, Publisher of “The Fatima Crusader” Magazine and Director of an Apostolate entitled: “The International Fatima Rosary Crusade” portrays himself as a persecuted victim of the bureaucracy of Rome, and pretends to his listeners that his case is still being reviewed by the Pope, himself. This claim leaves his readers to believe that he is still a priest with faculties to offer the Mass and the Sacraments. The purpose of this article is to show the truth about Father Gruner, and to use this as an example of how easy it is for people to be fooled by fancy words surrounded with orthodox stories and beautiful icons.

Christopher Ferrara is a SSPX supporter.

Their claims of having archbishops supporting them are bogus.

 

[Rogerteder]

Is there a latest update on Father Gruner?

 

[jdnation]

There are many things in the article ‘FATHER NICHOLAS GRUNER THE MAN WHO HARMS OUR LADY OF FATIMA’ that have been thoroughly refuted in the conference and other articles. Even recent books such as the recent ‘The fourth secret of Fatima’ by Italian journalist Antonio Socci, who originally began writing it to defend the Vatican position have drawn great attention and the Vatican has failed to address any of it.

As for the interview with Sr. Lucy from that article see here for a thorough look at how it is filled with contradictions and severe theological issues and may in fact be a complete fabrication:
Sister Lucy Betrayed
& here about Carlos Evaristo: fatimacrusader.com/cr44/cr44pg41.asp

In some of the crossfire videos, Fr. Gruner is questioned about these things and he answers them well. Can’t remember which one though. But here are some other articles covering this stuff.

SuspendedNot
Chronology of 4 cover up campaigns: Persecution of Fr. Gruner

Concerning Fr. Gruner’s incardinations by Bishops and Canon Law, see here:
fatima.org/apostolate/defense/tab2.asp

As for Ferrera being an SSPX supporter, it’s the first I’ve heard of it, though some of his articles do have a sympathetic tinge with regards to the SSPX, but usually with regard to how Vatican II has led to divisions in the Church, which I guess is obvious…

Anyway, considering what happened to portugal after it was converted, and also at Guadalupe, it’s entirely certain that Russia was never converted as God requested, and its errors, of abortion, feminism, liberalism, gay rights, political policies, hatred for the Christian faith and the Catholic Church, errors that all stem from Communism have spread worldwide and are pricisely what the Church faces today, with a large number of non believing and non practising Catholics and sexual abuse cover-ups by bishops etc etc.

I’m entirely convinced that Russia was never consecrated because it bore none of the fruit that consecrations such as Portugal bore which were amazing and wholly miraculous! Even Pope Benedict XVI’s past statements as well as his most recent one in Fatima this week regarding the last times, and the enemies within the Church being part of the third secret show that there is much we have not been told.

Anyway, the videos at the link cover this stuff in great detail, as do the crossfire sessions.