Fatima Consecration

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I did not say I was part of anything with Fr Gruner…I just asked a question. I am a true beluiever of obedience…
 
bones_IV said:
If things are bad in Russia right now, why worry? Put your trust in Jesus Christ no? Conversions take time.
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oh iam not worried. not at all. the post i made above yours was meant for shoshana when i said, same as myself. i have complete faith in God, and iam not worried about things, because the Blessed Virgin herself said, " In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph".
worries? no. i edited the post bones:)
 
Shoshana said:
I did not say I was part of anything with Fr Gruner…I just asked a question. I am a true beluiever of obedience…
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I hardly think the Vatican goes about rejecting people’s appeals without bothering to inform them of the fact while informing the rest of the world 🤷
 
LilyM said:
I hardly think the Vatican goes about rejecting people’s appeals without bothering to inform them of the fact while informing the rest of the world 🤷
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I’m afraid Shoshana’s outnumbered here.
 
LilyM said:
I hardly think the Vatican goes about rejecting people’s appeals without bothering to inform them of the fact while informing the rest of the world 🤷
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you know lily, this is a really good point! 👍
 
Teelynn said:
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You are right…there is judgment being had here by a number of people. I just said what was told to me. I do not enter into the argument…I believe in total obedience whether one is right or wrong and have said this to said person during the conversation (Gruner’s ilke) Padre Pio is my hero of example and so many other saints. Please don’t pretend you know me because I don’t clap or use a thumb up icon!😦 Spiritual pride is a big no-no!
 
Shoshana said:
You are right…there is judgment being had here by a number of people. I just said what was told to me. I do not enter into the argument…I believe in total obedience whether one is right or wrong and have said this to said person during the conversation (Gruner’s ilke) Padre Pio is my hero of example and so many other saints. Please don’t pretend you know me because I don’t clap or use a thumb up icon!😦 Spiritual pride is a big no-no!
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But you don’t go around making controversial statements like that. :mad:
 
Shoshana said:
You are right…there is judgment being had here by a number of people. I just said what was told to me. I do not enter into the argument…I believe in total obedience whether one is right or wrong and have said this to said person during the conversation (Gruner’s ilke) Padre Pio is my hero of example and so many other saints. Please don’t pretend you know me because I don’t clap or use a thumb up icon!😦 Spiritual pride is a big no-no!
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padre pio is a very fine example. but father gruner is in disobedience to rome, and he is not padre pio by a long shot. i certainly understand ones wanting to defend someone, but i will only speak for myself here. no one else. i wont defend someone who is not obedient to the papal authority. someone who accuses the vatican of a cover up and someone who claims there is conspiracy theories, and someone who claims sister lucia was silenced, and someone who claims that the 3rd secret was never fully revealed does not deserve my defense. this is only speaking for myself mind you, no one else here, just me. this is my position and i wont change it. if you believe in total obedience shoshana, then you must believe then that father gruner must be obedient to rome and return to the place where he was incardinated. not just
that, but he must be obedient to the pope because the pope is the Vicar of Christ, and he has a right to govern the church. father gruner must come into good standing with rome.if he does not obey papal authority then he remains in the position he is in.for myself, i truly wish people who know about the disobedience, and know that they are not to support him would not do so. but everyone has free will. i chose to exercise my free will by obeying the pope and the church. i wont put myself in a state of schism.
no way.
 
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padre pio is a very fine example. but father gruner is in disobedience to rome, and he is not padre pio by a long shot. i certainly understand ones wanting to defend someone, but i will only speak for myself here. no one else. i wont defend someone who is not obedient to the papal authority. someone who accuses the vatican of a cover up and someone who claims there is conspiracy theories, and someone who claims sister lucia was silenced, and someone who claims that the 3rd secret was never fully revealed does not deserve my defense. this is only speaking for myself mind you, no one else here, just me. this is my position and i wont change it. if you believe in total obedience shoshana, then you must believe then that father gruner must be obedient to rome and return to the place where he was incardinated. not just
that, but he must be obedient to the pope because the pope is the Vicar of Christ, and he has a right to govern the church. father gruner must come into good standing with rome.if he does not obey papal authority then he remains in the position he is in.for myself, i truly wish people who know about the disobedience, and know that they are not to support him would not do so. but everyone has free will. i chose to exercise my free will by obeying the pope and the church. i wont put myself in a state of schism.
no way.
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There must be a total misunderstanding here…sigh…I did not defend Gruner. If you would read my posts there is nothing there to make that claim…I had mentioned that when I speak to HIS ILKE (he lives in the next city), I SAID I believe in total obedience. Does that sound like I support him?
 
Shoshana said:
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There must be a total misunderstanding here…sigh…I did not defend Gruner. If you would read my posts there is nothing there to make that claim…I had mentioned that when I speak to HIS ILKE (he lives in the next city), I SAID I believe in total obedience. Does that sound like I support him?
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nope, it doesn’t sound like you support him. but also remember that i stated in my post that i was speaking for myself and not others:)
 
Can we please get back on topic, and stop hurling around personal insults and attacks on Fr. Gruner’s character and status within the Church?
 
Didn’t Mary ask us to pray and do penance? How seriously have people been following her admonitions since the events of Fatima?

I can recall in high school people discussing the warnings of Fatima, and the need to pray the rosary daily. Most of us didn’t. Perhaps the problem lies not with the consecration or the pope or the vatican, but with our own lack of response.
 
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