Fatima report of God's anger, saddness, happiness, etc

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The being whom the seers at Fatima believed was the Virgin Mary, reported that she told them God was, among other things angry, sad, disappointed, etc. that mankind was so full of sin and did not pray enough. She has said on other occasions that it is very difficult to hold back his anger. Now those statements to me really point to the lack of veracity that the being was actually Mary. If it was Mary, she must be completely unaware of the Church approved list of God’s attributes. Read them. God cannot be angry, He is not affected by anything. He cannot be sad or disappointed either if His attributes are real. So why would “Mary” suggest such things. I think either the children made everything up or the being made it all up to motivate the people to change their ways.
 
Sure, it’s approved, but is it dogma? There are many things which are “approved” by the Church (such as Private Revelations) which don’t necessarily have to be believed, per se. If it’s not a matter of faith that God is emotionless, we very well could be wrong.
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And yet Jesus shows us the face of God, anger towards evil, saddness and disappointment when we fail.
 
’ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth’ Romans 1:18
God’ anger is not like human anger, but God gets angry at wickedness
 
Haven’t you read the Old Testament? Same God, of course, and he has a whole range of human emotions.
 
This post is absurd. The Bible clearly describes the wrath of God.

As for the veracity of Fatima:

The Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by 60-70,000 people. My friend’s grandmother saw the miracle with her own eyes! Secular newspapers documented it. God literally suspended the laws of physics and caused the sun to dance and plummet towards Earth!

Furthermore, Fatima has received constant support from the Church. The Popes have embraced the message, promoted the spirituality, performed the consecration. Although it was a private revelation, Fatima should not be cast aside. It is worthy of belief. Only a fool would disregard Our Lady’s requests and warnings.
 
And she confirmed what was reported? Fatima is one of the few miracles I can’t explain away and it’s pretty incredible!
 
Thank you for sharing that with me it brings me immense hope!
 
I think you are doing a mistake some theologians have mentioned when speculating about God, meaning you are using Theology in a “cold” sense and making it similar to geometry. Therefore you risk to lose sight of the reality of God who is personal and in relationship with us, He became flesh to reveal Himself to us fully (isn’t this the biggest mystery of all? Infinite became Finite, jewish and muslims cannot accept this paradox). When God reveals himself He knows his creature and he Himself being Love, can relate to us with a language of Love, that can be expressed with the human emotions that you mention. That doesn’t contradict His nature and attributes, but shed a light on the mistery of His reality. To help understand it, keep in mind that we are in the image of God, and what separates us is sin, not emotions. Hope this helps, I suggest you can study Paul’s Romans
 
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Most modern believers reject the old testament God as a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser…a racist, infanticidal, genocidal, capriciously malevolent bully. He was made up by the early barbaric bronze agers to justify their own vicious actions.
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These “modern believers” are heretics. They have embraced the heresy of Marcionism. I implore you to repent of your heretical beliefs. Please read the Catechism and speak to a priest. We must believe in the Bible as the inerrant inspired word of God - our salvation depends on it.
 
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Therefore you risk to lose sight of the reality of God who is personal and in relationship with us,
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Can you give a few concrete examples of God being personal and in a relationship with us.
 
No. No. No.
Maybe if you were a Hindu this would make sense.
But we believe in a PERSONAL God who is perfect, and yet is not interacts in our lives.

The Bible is true.
People saw the miracle of the sun. It was not for the whole world to see. What you did is build a strawman of the events to knock it down.

God’s attributes are perfectly compatible with His Revelation.

If you think something silly, like it is not possible, you are gravely mistaken and I suggest looking into things. Did Jesus not grow angry at those in the Temple selling? Our God is Love and yet do not forget His Justice.

He does not like sin! Jesus Christ was pained so much for it! And yet you say it is impossible for Him to be affected by it? What nonsense!

I hate this nonsense against God. Do you see how He is described? He is slow to anger but sure to justice!
 
Dear clarkgamble, sure but let me ask you a question first, since this is important for our faith and you state you are catholic in your profile. Are you catholic? or what is your background? There are several ways to answer to your question depending on where you are at.
 
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Are you catholic? or what is your background?
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Based on the posts in this thread, the answer to the question “are you catholic?” has to be “no.” He seems to endorse the heresy of Marcion.
 
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I don’t think it is a good idea to call heretic somebody who posts a question online, we all make mistakes and misunderstand things, or need more information to have a better understanding. One of the reasons i am not sure i should post here is because I am concerned my sin would be pride, having knowledge should bring charity and love, and the pleasure of sharing. Everytime it brings accusation and judgment is a red flag in my humble opinion.
 
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I don’t think it is a good idea to call heretic somebody who posts a question online, we all make mistakes and misunderstand things, or need more information to have a better understanding.
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I didn’t call him a heretic. I said he seems to embrace the heresy of Marcion. This suspicion is justified because of his sinful about the “God of the Old Testament.”
 
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Most modern believers reject the old testament God as a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser…a racist, infanticidal, genocidal, capriciously malevolent bully.
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This quote is outrageous, disrespectful and sinful. I will defend the God of the Old Testament as the one, true God against this blasphemy.
 
why don’t you share with him how did you learn about what you believe it is the right interpretation of those passages in the old testament instead? 🙂 in my case I would suggest to try Trent Horn’s book “Hard Sayings: A Catholic Approach to Answering Bible Difficulties”, I love the way he explains things
 
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