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myfavoritmartin
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Thanks for the personal attack.
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mikeledes
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If someone loves my mother because of their love for me, then I greatly appreciate it. I love Mary because she is a fellow human being, a Christian, the mother of Christ, and my spiritual mother.
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myfavoritmartin
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Agreed both Catholic and Protestants are guilty of the context issue… I am not so stubborn as to think its only you guys.
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myfavoritmartin
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If you can show me where my views contradict scripture, I will walk away from this thread right now! if not you owe me an apology.
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Mannyfit75
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Protestants do it more and have 10,000 denominations. Catholic look at Scripture in its fullness. The CC teachings is One and Universal.
Protestants take Scripture out of context. They not only take Scripture out of context. They take the Catholic Catechism out of context (which some Protestant Apologists are using against us), and they take the writings of the Saints out of context.
Protestants don’t know much about Catholicism because most of them lack the knowledge of what Catholicism is and what it teaches.
Protestants need to take a look at the history of the Catholic Church and can trace it back to Apostolic Times.
Protestantism was founded only in the 1517. There were no Protestants in the days of Jesus.
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tabcom
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**Mat. 24:26
So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
The ‘He’ is self-referencing back to Jesus.
'Out in the desert; and ‘inner rooms’ are not public.**
The only sign a believer needs Is Christ coming alive in them daily (Luke 9:23).
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mikeledes
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First of all, that second quote is not mine. Secondly, the context of the verse is clearly about the Second Coming of Christ. There will arise false messiahs and those who falsely predict Jesus’s return.
A private revelation, on the other hand, is not the Second Coming of Christ. All will know when he comes for judgement and all will see.
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There is not a 100% correct human denomination. There is a church that Christ promises. It is not a human organization led by a Pope, or group of Bishops, or elders. It is the church promised in the Holy Scriptures.
The number of organizations does not invalidate protestant OR the Catholic church view. They exist. You have many groups as well that adhere to Scripture and Tradition and do not agree. Now, some might say there are only a few. How many do you have to have before that proves my point. Would 10 Protestant denominations be ok? No, just one is not ok people would say. Well, there are more than one churches that split when supposedly led by an infallible Church. Is this a numbers game?
I think not.
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mikeledes
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We love Mary because we love Jesus.
God Bless,
michael
God Bless,
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You claim the Fatima message is the Word of Satan. The Fatima is approved by the CC because none of its messages contradict the Scripture.
You claim it does, so apparently you are heretic here.
You claim to know some of your own private revelation?
You also claim that Liguori is a heretic. You are foolish to make judgement on a saintly main.
He lived by the way Jesus taught us and founded the Redemptorists Order.
His bio on: catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=1284
You on the other hand come here to the Forum and claim Catholic Belief as Satanic just like those Pharisees.
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**
Since II Cor 11th Chapter has been cited within the thread, I thought I’d include my archival notes on it:
II Cor 11:3,4,13-15 But I fear lest by any means as the serpent beguiled (exapatao - seduce wholly) Eve through his subtility (panourgia - shrewd, clever, cunning), so your minds should be corrupted (phtheiro - deprave, ruin, defile) from the simplicity (haplos-singleness, implies pure or holy) that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth “another Jesus”-- (this is not the Jesus of the Bible that says we must take up our cross daily, deny (aparneomai - utterly contradict) ourselves, forsake all that we have or we cannot be his disciple - Luke 9:23;14:27,33) --whom we have not preached, or if ye receive “another spirit”, (small s–the Holy Spirit is Truth - John 14:17, 15:26, & 16:13, 1 John 5:6-- They will preach another truth, which is not the truth at all, but a lie disguised as the truth) – which ye have not received, or “another gospel”,–the true gospel is death to the flesh/self and the resurrection daily in our mortal bodies - 1 Cor 15:1-4, 2 Cor 4:10-12,16,17 - The “other Jesus” requires no death to self, no daily cross, no self denial, but rather, this Jesus does not resurrect in us daily – instead he says to us that we can “distribute fortunes” (daemon) to ourselves thus ruling our own flesh, setting our own rules and overthrowing (diabolos) the law of God in our lives – this gospel is no gospel, that fulfills the flesh.) It is the devil’s counterfeit gospel.-which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For such are false apostles deceitful (dolios- to live by trickery, decoy, guile) workers, transforming (metaschematizo - disguise or change) themselves into the apostles of Christ (It is the devil disguised as Jesus)–but it is another Jesus. And no marvel - for Satan himself is transformed (metaschematizo - disguised) into an angel of light… Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed (metaschematizo - disguised) as the ministers of righteousness: whose end shall be according to their works. (They will pass themselves off as truth-sayers when they are soothsayers.)**
Since II Cor 11th Chapter has been cited within the thread, I thought I’d include my archival notes on it:
II Cor 11:3,4,13-15 But I fear lest by any means as the serpent beguiled (exapatao - seduce wholly) Eve through his subtility (panourgia - shrewd, clever, cunning), so your minds should be corrupted (phtheiro - deprave, ruin, defile) from the simplicity (haplos-singleness, implies pure or holy) that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth “another Jesus”-- (this is not the Jesus of the Bible that says we must take up our cross daily, deny (aparneomai - utterly contradict) ourselves, forsake all that we have or we cannot be his disciple - Luke 9:23;14:27,33) --whom we have not preached, or if ye receive “another spirit”, (small s–the Holy Spirit is Truth - John 14:17, 15:26, & 16:13, 1 John 5:6-- They will preach another truth, which is not the truth at all, but a lie disguised as the truth) – which ye have not received, or “another gospel”,–the true gospel is death to the flesh/self and the resurrection daily in our mortal bodies - 1 Cor 15:1-4, 2 Cor 4:10-12,16,17 - The “other Jesus” requires no death to self, no daily cross, no self denial, but rather, this Jesus does not resurrect in us daily – instead he says to us that we can “distribute fortunes” (daemon) to ourselves thus ruling our own flesh, setting our own rules and overthrowing (diabolos) the law of God in our lives – this gospel is no gospel, that fulfills the flesh.) It is the devil’s counterfeit gospel.-which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. For such are false apostles deceitful (dolios- to live by trickery, decoy, guile) workers, transforming (metaschematizo - disguise or change) themselves into the apostles of Christ (It is the devil disguised as Jesus)–but it is another Jesus. And no marvel - for Satan himself is transformed (metaschematizo - disguised) into an angel of light… Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed (metaschematizo - disguised) as the ministers of righteousness: whose end shall be according to their works. (They will pass themselves off as truth-sayers when they are soothsayers.)**
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You are wrong. There are plenty of history documents to prove the CC is the historical Christian Church.
You are the one Protestant; whom I view as the stereotypical of Protestants (Anti-Catholic) and just as worst as Jack Chick.
You want proof here it is:
“Peter, who is called ‘the rock on which the church should be built,’ who also obtained ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven…’” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics, 22 (c. A.D. 200).
“And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail…” Origen, Commentary on John, 5:3 (A.D. 232).
“By this Spirit Peter spake that blessed word, ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ By this Spirit the rock of the Church was established.” Hippolytus, Discourse on the Holy Theophany, 9 (ante A.D. 235).
“’…thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church’ … It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church’s) oneness…If a man does not fast to this oneness of Peter, does he still imagine that he still holds the faith. If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church?” Cyprian, De Unitate Ecclesiae (Primacy text), 4 (A.D. 251).
“…folly of (Pope) Stephen, that he who boasts of the place of the episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter, on whom the foundation of the Church were laid…” Firmilian, Epistle To Cyprian, Epistle 75(74):17(A.D. 256).
“…Peter, that strongest and greatest of all the apostles, and the one who on account of his virtue was the speaker for all the others…” Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 2:14 (A.D. 325).
“And Peter,on whom the Church of Christ is built, ‘against which the gates of hell shall not prevail’” Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 6:25 (A.D. 325).
“…the chief of the disciples…the Lord accepted him, set him up as the foundation, called him the rock and structure of the church.” Aphraates, De Paenitentibus Homily 7:15 (A.D. 337).
“Peter, the foremost of the Apostles, and Chief Herald of the Church…” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,1 1:3 (A.D. 350).
“**lessed Simon, who after his confession of the mystery was set to be the foundation-stone of the Church, and received the keys of the kingdom…” Hilary de Poiters, On the Trinity, 6:20(A.D. 359).
“[F]or the good of unity blessed Peter, for whom it would have been enough if after his denial he had obtained pardon only, deserved to be placed before all the apostles, and alone received the keys of the kingdom of heaven, to be communicated to the rest.” Optatus of Milevis, De Schismate Donatistorum, 7:3(A.D. 370).**
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The church Christ founded was an organized body (i.e. teachers, leadership, etc), an institution. Protestantism cannot claim institutional continuity, though they allege doctrinal continuity. This organized body founded by Christ was designed to teach and preach the Gospel, hence the establishment of a teaching authority. This is shown at work in the Council of Jerusalem. When the salvation controversy arose, did Saint Paul say “I know what the truth is and that is enough for me?” No! He presented the question to the leadership of the Church residing in Jeruslaem. The Council
of Jerusalem, guided by the Holy Spirit, rendered its verdict on the issue and passed decrees designed to be observed by all Christians. In other words, the church had a centralized authority that required obedience from all Christians. The Catholic Church can claim institutional continuity with the Church of Acts. That is historical fact. Protestants can’t.
God Bless,
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Eireann
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The point your missing is…God wishes you to remain…
He wants you to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart… not Mary.
So how do you distinguish between the satanic angel of light and the Angel Gabriel ?
Considering the other two children died at a very young age, and Sister Lucia died aged 97 the same year as JP2, then this part happened.
satanic prophecy does it come true ?
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myfavoritmartin
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Mike,
Another thread another day… Lets stick with fatima.
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Mannyfit75
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Summary, Protestants did not EXIST in the days of Jesus (either it be 29 AD or 30 AD). It was THE CHURCH and that CHURCH in 107 is called Catholic Church by St. Ignatius of Antioch.
I don’t think the 1st Century Christians got it all wrong. The Protestants totally got it wrong.
I don’t think the 1st Century Christians got it all wrong. The Protestants totally got it wrong.
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