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myfavoritmartin
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Serious Damascus what is your bend? Of course I go on scripture I am a protestant. But realize the catholic POV is that scripture is inerrant, and in scripture it tells us to test spirits…
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myfavoritmartin
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Damascus YOU are WRONG! I never said she was the work of Satan you are doing the typical out of context comments again…
FATIMA that is the thread…
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water
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Of course, it is about answering to you and those who think Fatima is the work of Satan. And yes, it is about defending our believe - now, about attacking, I am not sure whom you specifically refer to.
If our answers have not satisfied you, this thread can go on forever.
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water
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and who is the center of the Fatima?
(PS. I could see you started raising caps on the letters
)I put a pause on this thread, it has been a long day cleaning the house and surfing CAF.
Goodnight.!
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water
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yes, we do test spirits, and that’s why many private revelation has not been approved by the Church - even some private revelation has been around more than 20 years. Therefore, we don’t just blindly walk into trap of Satan.
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netmilsmom
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On another site, there are a few of us who are Anti-Catholic Troll hunters.
We just put a little symbol up to get all the Catholics who have to constantly defend their beliefs, laughing. This is for you Manny. Hope you feel better.
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myfavoritmartin
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Good night my friend sorry bout the CAPS I get a lil defensive when people unjustifiably attack me.and who is the center of the Fatima?
(PS. I could see you started raising caps on the letters
I put a pause on this thread, it has been a long day cleaning the house and surfing CAF.
Goodnight.!
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DRIVING_BEAR
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Is Fatima the work of Satan?
Their is a easy way to tell
I refer to 2John verse 7
“For many deceivers have gone into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as comming in the flesh.]This is a Deceiver and an Antichrist.”
To the best of my knowledge "Fatima " did not confess Jesus Christ as comming in the flesh so I therefore assume "fatima "
is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Their is a easy way to tell
I refer to 2John verse 7
“For many deceivers have gone into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as comming in the flesh.]This is a Deceiver and an Antichrist.”
To the best of my knowledge "Fatima " did not confess Jesus Christ as comming in the flesh so I therefore assume "fatima "
is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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Stephen_C
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Ok, so where again does it state in scripture that fatima is the work of satan?
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Stephen_C
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Sola Scriptura, just got to love it.
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myfavoritmartin
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Manny was not defending the faith he was lashing out at others whom don’t think like he. Nice, keep up the encouragement
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netmilsmom
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Even if he did defend his faith, you would dismiss it anyway. I’ve seen your work.
It was just to make a fellow Catholic laugh.
Are you a heretic?
Then it doesn’t apply to you does it?
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system
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Hey Martian - I can’t tell if your motive is good or not, so for a moment, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. You use the term “blindly following” quite a few times, as if to say Catholic believers are merely sheep. I’m sure you know better than that. I’ll repeat what others have said:
- no one is required to believe these sorts of things
- The Church says that Christ’s message has been given in full, by his words and his life. We do not need to *wish for *apparitions and signs. I have met quite a few of what may be (uncharitably) called, “apparition chasers” , and it seems they are missing that point.
- It seems like you may not know how rigorously the church investigates things like this, and most never get past the early stages. Suffice it to say, if an apparition has been approved by the church, or even if the church just declares, “it does not go against the faith” you can bet it has been looked at every way from A to Z for errors.
- And since you keep wanting to know how “us guys” on this site feel and believe about these things, all I can say is at this stage in my journey, I just don’t know. I don’t believe I need to be an expert on Fatima to follow my faith as a Catholic. I can tell you I DID visit a church-approved apparition site which is now a shrine. (Knock,in the west of Ireland) and found it to be a very special place, a holy place and, despite having needs and problems, I did not ask for any favors, healings, or anything for that matter. Not simply because I was unsure about the place or its history, because it seemed like too special a place to do something as crass as ask for a favor! Probably a missed opportunity, now that I think of it!
However, in the case of Fatima, there’s been about 90 years for the church (or other naysayers) to “debunk” it, but that ain’t happening.
So, bottom line, I can be Catholic without accepting Fatima (or others), but I’m keeping an open mind.
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myfavoritmartin
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Yes, exactly… I hoped a catholic would come to this conclusion and I assume you are not, like me…
He is worthy to be sought!!!
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Mannyfit75
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The Protestants are the one deceived. Not the Catholics. Nothing in the Fatima message is against Jesus. Mary’s main message of Fatima is wanting all believers to return to her Son. How can that be so against Jesus?
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myfavoritmartin
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Such as? C’mon you can not blindly accuse me of without posting a situation to which you refer to…
He claimed I was and therefore you are reinforceing it! Thanks!
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myfavoritmartin
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Thanks for insight, this is what I personally enjoy reading…Hey Martian - I can’t tell if your motive is good or not, so for a moment, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. You use the term “blindly following” quite a few times, as if to say Catholic believers are merely sheep. I’m sure you know better than that. I’ll repeat what others have said:
That said, an apparition or message that is approved by the church can add a great deal to a believer’s life.
- no one is required to believe these sorts of things
- The Church says that Christ’s message has been given in full, by his words and his life. We do not need to *wish for *apparitions and signs. I have met quite a few of what may be (uncharitably) called, “apparition chasers” , and it seems they are missing that point.
As for wondering about Satan showing up as an Angel of light, and/or deceiving us all with tricks - sure, that is something to be vigilant about all the time. Some stories from saints include that very thing…and some places people were wild about 10-20 years ago may be turning out to be just that - deceptions from the dark side, the father of lies, etc.
- It seems like you may not know how rigorously the church investigates things like this, and most never get past the early stages. Suffice it to say, if an apparition has been approved by the church, or even if the church just declares, “it does not go against the faith” you can bet it has been looked at every way from A to Z for errors.
- And since you keep wanting to know how “us guys” on this site feel and believe about these things, all I can say is at this stage in my journey, I just don’t know. I don’t believe I need to be an expert on Fatima to follow my faith as a Catholic. I can tell you I DID visit a church-approved apparition site which is now a shrine. (Knock,in the west of Ireland) and found it to be a very special place, a holy place and, despite having needs and problems, I did not ask for any favors, healings, or anything for that matter. Not simply because I was unsure about the place or its history, because it seemed like too special a place to do something as crass as ask for a favor! Probably a missed opportunity, now that I think of it!
However, in the case of Fatima, there’s been about 90 years for the church (or other naysayers) to “debunk” it, but that ain’t happening.
So, bottom line, I can be Catholic without accepting Fatima (or others), but I’m keeping an open mind.
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NotWorthy
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Of course you’re making sense.
Then if the question is, “whether or not it should be blindly accepted or compared to scripture for its viableness”, then my answer is “no and yes”. (Typical Catholic answer, eh?
)“No”, the Catholic Church should not AND DOES NOT blindly accept these visions and absolutely DOES compare them with Scripture AND SACRED TRADITION to help determine their validity, as well as a number of other battery of tests. The Church is one of the MOST skeptical judges in cases like this, as She doesn’t want to be left with egg on Her face when a “claimed miracle” is later proven to be false.
Knowing this, “Yes”, I will then blindly (Ok, maybe I’ll keep one eye open, just to check…) accept that this is a true vision, because I know that the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, will not publicly reveal a false apparition as a new revelation.
Look at the quote I showed on and earlier post, about what the “Immaculate Heart” means. It’s simply someone who God has blessed to be in perfect harmony with His Will, no matter how much pain it can cause when they witness their only Child’s crucifixion, for example.
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LilyM
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The appearance of Mary, the biological mother of Christ, is in its very nature and essence a confession - albeit without words (people can communicate without words you know) that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
How would a human being (which Mary undoubtedly was) have such a power without it coming through her physical motherhood of Christ??? And how would she be given power as his physical mother if he HADN’T come in the flesh?
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myfavoritmartin
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Manny are you sure? I see nothing that reinforces that Jesus is God in flesh.
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