Fatima, the work of satan?

[myfavoritmartin]

This is a subversive term which has no place in this discussion, Simon. No one here has so much as suggested that Mary is God. No one here has asserted that she has any power beyond that which God graciously bestows upon her.

Do not be confused.

Jane,
I realise sometimes when I am sharing how things make me feel, they can come across rather derogatory to others my apologies.
Simon

 

[JaneFrances]

Jane,
I realise sometimes when I am sharing how things make me feel, they can come across rather derogatory to others my apologies.
Simon

Thank you for your apology.

Do you now understand the meaning of the Fatima message?

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Blessed Mother, she will always lead them to her Son. .

Then wouldn’t it make sense that at some point throughout your life in all the praying the Rosary to Mary’s Immaculate heart, that before you died she would lead you right to Christ, because that is what she does…Then step out of the way so you could have a personal relationship with the ONE whom died and rose again for you?

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Thank you for your apology.

Do you now understand the meaning of the Fatima message?

Honestly Jane, I would love to discuss with you back and forth the whole mariology thread without the constant sniping at me by others, I think you understand that it troubles me greatly and always has, it is not from any specific teaching or my upbringing, I just personally don’t see any purpose reason or evidence that this is something Christ would want us to do. And for this fundamental Evangelic that is troublesome.

 

[JaneFrances]

Then wouldn’t it make sense that at some point throughout your life in all the praying the Rosary to Mary’s Immaculate heart

I don’t know that I am not following.

First, when I pray the Rosary, I do it “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” I pray to Mary that her Immaculate Heart would intercede for me, but my primary intention in praying the Rosary is always she will lead me to her Son. And so she does. Never do I pray the Rosary and think “Wow, now I am much closer to Mary than I am to Jesus.” It just doesn’t happen.

, that before you died she would lead you right to Christ,

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Jane,
My brain hurts…I think I’ll put this thread to bed!
If there is anything you truly want to know PM me okay…
I accept that when you pray to her immaculate heart it is meant for Jesus. Lets just leave it at that.

 

[Mannyfit75]

My two cents,

Protestants I think need to understand the meaning of the Communion Saints first.

Many of them misunderstand it. Because it is in the Communion of Saints, that we are united with Saints in heaven, saints suffering in Purgatory. It’s through the communion of saints, we are a Holy Family of God.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

My two cents,

Protestants I think need to understand the meaning of the Communion Saints first.

Many of them misunderstand it. Because it is in the Communion of Saints, that we are united with Saints in heaven, saints suffering in Purgatory. It’s through the communion of saints, we are a Holy Family of God.

I don’t think it’s a matter of us misunderstanding it.

As for purgatory, even if it does exist, there is nobody suffering there as it is not a place of punishment as per Catholic doctrine (or at least what I’ve heard on here).

 

[Eireann]

If what I say to you is done, **many souls will be saved **and there will be peace.
Rewards?
Man! as I spend more time here It seems more Marianity than Mariology

Saint Paul To The Colossians 3:24 Knowing that you shall receive of the Lord the reward of inheritance. Serve ye the Lord Christ.

Reward is mentioned many times in the Bible, it is God that does the rewarding if we turn back from sin.

We are all sinners are we going to hell?

Although we don’t know what kind of sinner the children were shown, and God knows what they did to get there, make no mistake about it, we can end up there, Jesus said so.

Honestly Jane, I would love to discuss with you back and forth the whole mariology thread without the constant sniping at me by others,

Thanks Simon.

 

[Sixtus]

It’s only now that I realize how I take away from the glory of God and Christ’s sacrifice on the cross by worshipping Mary.It has come to my attention that the **Church now calls Mary **coredeemer and comediator. ****I think this statement is blasphemous.
I think the apparitions all over the world are the work of the enemy. Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and him alone.
If you call on the name of the Lord you will be saved.

My friend, I suspect you were never Catholic. This is probably a ‘hit and run’. But if it is not, then may I be so bold as to point out two serious flaws in your arguement: Catholics NOT NOT worship Mary. We honour her as the Mother of God.

Now either you accept the tri-unity of Christ as God or you are not Christian. He was born of Mary. That makes her the Mother of God.

Nowhere does the Church teach that there is any co-redeemer bar Christ.

 

[francesco920]

myfavoritmartin,

Here is something to consider from Fatima:

“O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who have the most need of your mercy.”

This is the prayer the apparition of Mary told us to pray after each decade of the rosary. My question to you is, could Satan ever recite those words? I think if you meditate on those words long enough you’ll find that the message of Fatima, whether you believe there was an apparition or not, does have Christ at its center.

Why do you think we honor Mary? We honor her because she is the Mother of Christ. It is all about Christ!!! Let me make this clear: any devotion to Mary or any other Saint that is not centered around Christ is idolatry. That is what we Catholics believe.

 

[Sixtus]

Satan honours and encourages all Christians and non-Christians alike to bow down and worship Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

Satan also tries to encourage ordinary folk to lead a more devout prayer focussed life, meditating on the love of God and His generous gift of self-sacrifice to save humanity.

Satan further encourages us to meditate on the life of Our Blessed Lord

I think this is what you are saying!!!

 

[Sixtus]

May I leave with satan’s favourite prayer which he encourages us to say frequently:

“O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who have the most need of your mercy.”

 

[mdstanzel]

17 pages is quite excessive. myfavoritmartin has succeeded with his questioning. He has convinced himself more than ever that the Fatima Story is an elaborate hoax instigated by Satan (not to be divided against himself) to lead man astray to whatever makes us worship of Jesus more devoutly (which is a contradiction)? He is convinced now that he still does not believe. Let him go in peace.

My fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, we have done all that we can for this man with one exception – prayer. Let us ALL take up our crosses attached to our rosaries and put our words complete with the Fatima Prayer for myfavoritmartin and others who fail to see or understand. We should pray for the conversion of the unbelievers, but if they do not convert we should pray for their salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world, so that they will not be held accountable for things they do not accept and understand. Pray that we do not fall into the temptation to judge him and others like him so that we may all be saved through the perfect sacrifice of our Lord and Savior, Jesus.

myfavoritmartin, A little wisdom from a humbled servant of our dear Savior and Lord Jesus Christ: be careful how deep you dig into something that you do not understand because discovering truth may cost you your soul. That is, If you come to know the truth and then in pride reject it, your soul may fall into danger. I don’t judge you, but be careful what you ask for, you may get what you don’t want to know - the truth whether or not you believe it to be the truth or not now. If you have a problem and want to know, I’d suggest praying the Rosary, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy and most definitly spend some time in an oratory in contemplative prayer whether you believe in the actual presence of Christ. That is, if you really want to know. Be careful, you may be surprised in what you discover. God wants to bless us. If your being half idle, you should go in peace and practice your belief. I and many here will pray for you and others like you. It is our duty.

I have returned to Catholicism after leaving just over 17 years ago for reasons that are too long to this thread. I have posts all over this board about some of my expereinces and through my experiences. I hope to tell my story to help those who do not understand Catholicism, but mostly to help those Catholics who think they know the teachings of the Church’s teachings. ** I for one do not have a problem calling you brother, Brother, but if you come to know the truth and do not accept it, your salvation could fall into peril.**

One of my favorite says follows: “The purpose of theology is not to replace faith with sure knowledge, but to show that it is not unreasonable to believe.” Understanding requires the gift from the Holy Spirit.

Peace and Love in Christ.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

My friend, I suspect you were never Catholic. This is probably a ‘hit and run’. But if it is not, then may I be so bold as to point out two serious flaws in your arguement: Catholics NOT NOT worship Mary. We honour her as the Mother of God.

Now either you accept the tri-unity of Christ as God or you are not Christian. He was born of Mary. That makes her the Mother of God.

Nowhere does the Church teach that there is any co-redeemer bar Christ.

Using your reasoning above, you believe that Mary is a fourth member of the Trinity. Guess what…we Protestants do not worship Mary either so what is your problem with us?

Where does the Bible say that one must accept the Trinity before they are a Christian? I believe they should believe that, but it doesn’t say so. What IS required is to believe that Jesus is God’s Son.

Regarding Mary being a “co-redemptrix” here is something to check out. biblelight.net/medtrix.htm

Right at that site it says this:

By the titles of Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, the Roman Catholic Church means that salvation for everyone would be obtained through Mary, and not directly from Jesus Christ. While this is in fact already taught by the Catholic Church, and has been for many years, it is not yet formally defined as binding dogma, though some Catholics feel it has already achieved that status. Here are examples of this teaching, the first two are papal encyclicals:

1. If in all this series of Mysteries, Venerable Brethren, are developed the counsels of God in regard to us – “counsels of wisdom and of tenderness” (St. Bernard) – not less apparent is the greatness of the benefits for which we are debtors to the Virgin Mother. No man can meditate upon these without feeling a new awakening in his heart of confidence that he will certainly obtain through Mary the fullness of the mercies of God. And to this end vocal prayer chimes well with the Mysteries. First, as is meet and right, comes the Lord’s Prayer, addressed to Our Father in Heaven: and having, with the elect petitions dictated by Our Divine Master, called upon the Father, from the throne of His Majesty we turn our prayerful voices to Mary. Thus is confirmed that law of merciful meditation of which We have spoken, and which St. Bernardine of Siena thus expresses: “Every grace granted to man has three degrees in order; for by God it is communicated to Christ, from Christ it passes to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.”

 

[myfavoritmartin]

myfavoritmartin, A little wisdom from a humbled servant of our dear Savior and Lord Jesus Christ: be careful how deep you dig into something that you do not understand because discovering truth may cost you your soul. That is, If you come to know the truth and then in pride reject it, your soul may fall into danger. .

Doc,
My soul is in no jeopardy; I know the Way the Truth and the Life.
I do what the word of God tells me to.
If their is no clear dividing line between good and bad or dark and light I’ll reject it based on scripture.

Acts 17:11 tells us to search scripture daily to confirm what your taught…

Is that digging to deep?

 

[thistle]

Doc,
My soul is in no jeopardy; I know the Way the Truth and the Life.
I do what the word of God tells me to.
If their is no clear dividing line between good and bad or dark and light I’ll reject it based on scripture.

Acts 17:11 tells us to search scripture daily to confirm what your taught…

Is that digging to deep?

Sola scriptura is a false doctrine.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Sola scriptura is a false doctrine.

Thistle, Is the written word of God ?
mmmmkay then. Drop it!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Thistle>>Sola scriptura is a false doctrine.

Matter does not exist.

I gave as much as proof to support my false statement above as you gave to support yours.

 

[Jennifer_J]

Thistle, Is the written word of God ?
mmmmkay then. Drop it!

Can you find the scripture reference and post it, that says you only need the bible and nothing else? Where’s that found in the bible???

Jennifer