Fatima, the work of satan?

[hoosierdaddy]

Wrath is a reminder of hidden hatred, that is to say, remembrance of wrongs. Wrath is a desire for the injury of the one who has provoked you. Irascibility is the untimely blazing up of the heart. Bitterness is a movement of displeasure seated in the soul. Anger is an easily changeable movement of one’s disposition and disfiguration of soul.
St. John Climacus

Thank you for that.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

This is unbelievable. WHAT are you TALKING about???

I type fast, I am thinking very sharply, and I am far from ignorant of Christ.

Where did I say that I reject that Jesus had a human and a divine nature? In fact, I’ve said the opposite! I really wish you’d quit making these ridiculous unfounded accusations against me. I think it’s time I DO put you on ignore.

Of course His human nature came from His mother!

HD,
empty your message box please.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

and you are welcome to your opinion.

many in your position will link to wikpedia… but perhaps not to the link that might disagree with you. Even the secular books like an encyclopedia proclaim the Catholic Church as the one founded by Christ… go figure.

I am in no position to have to link to wikipedia. However, I’ve noticed some Catholics linking to wikipedia on here. What, it’s ok for them?

Appealing to the masses is not going to convince this Christian. Of course the secular books would say that…the idea has been drilled into gullible people’s heads for centuries now. Anyone who questioned it, well, we know what happened to them. Cha ching.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

HD,
empty your message box please.

Hey there, there’s room now. Yesterday it said I had room for 100 messages. wonder why I don’t now.

 

[newbie1234]

I do detect some anger in your posts… understandable.

I will pray for your anger to be changed to an open acceptance of the Lord in all that He says to us in Scripture…
and an open acceptance of the Church He gave us to protect and explain the Truth… to each at his own level of competance.

I know for myself it is frustrating to give people the truth and they deny it.
I am led here by the Holy Sprit.
I am compelled to speak the truth as written in the scriptures.
But it can become frustrating when people can’t hear it.
Your soul and it’s everlasting life in heaven is my concern.
I want you to join me there in heaven.
If you do not care I understand.
But make no mistake about what drives me.
It is not a power trip.

 

[NotWorthy]

Hey my friend. Everything is finished. The curse against us. The veil between God and man. God’s justice has been satisfied. On the cross, Jesus cried out “it is finished!”.

Jesus’ dying for us IS all we need to get to heaven, coupled with His living for us. He fulfilled the Law on our behalf. To pick up our cross and follow Him is required in order to be a disciple. Discipleship and salvation are two different things. We know this because even without works, one is still saved. Scripture says so.

Discipleship is necessary for Salvation.

Scripture says even without works, one is still saved? Where? Can you show me anywhere in Scripture that Jesus tells us that our judgement is going to be based on anything OTHER than our works?

No, instead Scripture says that Faith, without works, is dead.

Bear in mind, Hoosier, that Salvation (being “saved”) to us Catholics is a process - we have been saved, we our being saved, and (hopefully) we will be saved.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

what happens when you say that to a mentally impared person… or to one deaf and blind… get yourself baptised…

how cras to take a Sacrament of God’s Grace and tell one to get yourself baptised.

Jesus really knew what He was doing when he gave us 5 sacrament linked to His priesthood… at least you can’t abuse them.

This is a ten foot tall strawman. The fact is that YOU are not mentally impaired, deaf or blind. Leave those people to God and worry about yourself.

Baptism is an ordinance. (I am a Baptist after all)

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Discipleship is necessary for Salvation.

Scripture says even without works, one is still saved? Where? Can you show me anywhere in Scripture that Jesus tells us that our judgement is going to be based on anything OTHER than our works?

No, instead Scripture says that Faith, without works, is dead.

Bear in mind, Hoosier, that Salvation (being “saved”) to us Catholics is a process - we have been saved, we our being saved, and (hopefully) we will be saved.

Hey NW, no…faith is necessary for salvation. Discipleship is necessary in order to grow in the Lord and to receive rewards in heaven.

Romans will answer your questions. Our “judgement” is based on our works, you are right. But this is not a judgement to determine salvation; it is a judgement to determine rewards. Jesus already took our judgement upon Himself. There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

I understand how you Catholics view salvation. I don’t agree with it. What you call the whole process of salvation, we see as sanctification after you have already been saved. God bless ya.

 

[MrS]

Check the whole book of Romans. If you lack the ability to I will copy and paste from Biblegateway for you. Ask the Pope if he’ll let you look it up first though. We don’t want you going to hell now…

In the book of Romans , St Paul, the Catholic apostle opens his discourse with “…the obedience of faith…” He closes it the same way.

He uses the word faith so many times, I think he knows what it means. He also uses the word alone a few dozen times I believe… but never uses them together…

You know they only appear one time NOT by faith alone.

I suggest you re-read Romans and see how many times St Paul does tell us about the necessity of good works… Better yet… read the words of the Savior.

You have proven a point I made earlier… that too many non_Catholics prefer to use the oft-confusing words of St Paul instead of the oft-clear words of the Lord.

As for downloading Romans… nope… I have a number of versions (inc KJV) and parallels, and commentaries etc. I even have many of the works of protestants too…

I have to admit… they often get it right… at least for what they study.

I also have to admit they often don’t agree with you.

I will also admit they are lacking insofar as their verse selection out of context. On that, you and they are in unison.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Anyways, I need a break from this thread. I enjoy the intellectual challenge and a bit of sarcasm but it is going to get out of hand. I may post again later. Peace.

 

[newbie1234]

what happens when you say that to a mentally impared person… or to one deaf and blind… get yourself baptised…

how cras to take a Sacrament of God’s Grace and tell one to get yourself baptised.

Jesus really knew what He was doing when he gave us 5 sacrament linked to His priesthood… at least you can’t abuse them.

Make the decision to follow Chist as your Lord and Savior and repent as an adult. Then get baptised. The infant baptism is of no avail because as an infant you couldn’t understand the sin issue and make the decision for Christ. That is the reason to get baptised again.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

In the book of Romans , St Paul, the Catholic apostle opens his discourse with “…the obedience of faith…” He closes it the same way.

He uses the word faith so many times, I think he knows what it means. He also uses the word alone a few dozen times I believe… but never uses them together…

You know they only appear one time NOT by faith alone.

I suggest you re-read Romans and see how many times St Paul does tell us about the necessity of good works… Better yet… read the words of the Savior.

You have proven a point I made earlier… that too many non_Catholics prefer to use the oft-confusing words of St Paul instead of the oft-clear words of the Lord.

As for downloading Romans… nope… I have a number of versions (inc KJV) and parallels, and commentaries etc. I even have many of the works of protestants too…

I have to admit… they often get it right… at least for what they study.

I also have to admit they often don’t agree with you.

I will also admit they are lacking insofar as their verse selection out of context. On that, you and they are in unison.

Are you done now? I could tear you up one side and down the other but I’m a Christian. You profess to be one. Therefore, since you are divisive it seems it is now time to reject you. You’ve been added to the ignore list sir. Have a good night.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Hey NW, no…faith is necessary for salvation. Discipleship is necessary in order to grow in the Lord and to receive rewards in heaven.

Romans will answer your questions. Our “judgement” is based on our works, you are right. But this is not a judgement to determine salvation; it is a judgement to determine rewards. Jesus already took our judgement upon Himself. There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

I understand how you Catholics view salvation. I don’t agree with it. What you call the whole process of salvation, we see as sanctification after you have already been saved. God bless ya.

This post reminds me of an OP I compiled, come join in its gonna be called a biblical persective of rewards.
I’ll start it now!

 

[MrS]

This is a ten foot tall strawman. The fact is that YOU are not mentally impaired, deaf or blind. Leave those people to God and worry about yourself.

Baptism is an ordinance. (I am a Baptist after all)

I understand that to you , it is only that.

Catholics believe that it is a sacrament because it is “an outward sign that gives Grace”

And that sign is from Jesus

Go therefore and teach… teach… all nations (ethna in the Greek means families - hence ethnic),… baptizing them…"

Hardly just an ordinance.

and…

Jesus will see to it that there is
One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism… pretty good company for just an ordinance.

 

[Eireann]

Make the decision to follow Chist as your Lord and Savior and repent as an adult. Then get baptised. The infant baptism is of no avail because as an infant you couldn’t understand the sin issue and make the decision for Christ. That is the reason to get baptised again.

Yes just like in days of old when you had to wait until you were 55 to get a circumcision.

That prayer in itself is not disrespectful, but your hanging the complete legitimacy of the Fatima sighting on this one shared prayer. That is it. And it wasn’t even from the Fatima Mary

No, you are with the Immaculate Heart Devotion, but you have to take the message of Fatima as a whole, you can’t pick or choose, either it’s from God or the devil, darkness or light.

So it’s from the devil but he quotes nice prayers to God ???

 

[MrS]

I understand how you Catholics view salvation. I don’t agree with it. What you call the whole process of salvation, we see as sanctification after you have already been saved. God bless ya.

Good point… we can’t give you the Truth, if your definitions of the words we use are different and you find them confusing or insulting.

We believe Salvation is attainable/complete only in heaven

We believe Justification is a process

We believe that ones justification/rightousness can be lost and regained (to wit: David in the OT)

We believe that Sanctification (holiness) is not probable on earth… we all retain some degree of attachment to material things … death does not erase our faults…it only ends their continuation.

Hence, that is why we are grateful to a Merciful God who will purge us of these attachments … because nothing unclean will enter heaven.

 

[NotWorthy]

Hey NW, no…faith is necessary for salvation. Discipleship is necessary in order to grow in the Lord and to receive rewards in heaven.

Romans will answer your questions. Our “judgement” is based on our works, you are right. But this is not a judgement to determine salvation; it is a judgement to determine rewards. Jesus already took our judgement upon Himself. There is now therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

I understand how you Catholics view salvation. I don’t agree with it. What you call the whole process of salvation, we see as sanctification after you have already been saved. God bless ya.

But our judement is gonna be, “one is taken, one is left behind” - not “you go through the silver door, you go through the gold door, and you go through the platinum door” is it?

P.S. From the “Nostradamus Files”, probably while you were posting this, I was beginning my study of Romans, as I just finished Acts!!!

P.S.S. And I certainly hope you don’t think I’m associating you with anything Satanic when I compare you with Nostradamus!!!

 

[YADA]

“Berean Alert”, like the Troll alerts. Newbie seems to be taking his cues from web sites like this one…

bereanbeacon.org/for_catholics.htm

Newbie [forgive me if I have confused your posts with another poster who studies Berean information If so they are very similar and I cannot find the post mentioning the study I read last night to quote from] mentioned that he only studies Berean information in another thread.

When I read that post I looked for a Berean web site. I am familiar with the work of this former Catholic priest and promoter, Richard Bennett. I have heard him speak and watched his Berean videos on Cable Access TV. All very anit-catholic IMHOP.

Read the web page info directed to Catholics, then you will understood where the point of view and theology comes from…

Newbie1234 is here to “save us” from the errors of the Catholic Church. The various threads about Fatima and Revelation Chapter 12 make for interesting but frustrating reads as Newbie1234 and Myfavoritemartian are here to convert and not to truly discourse

As I said in an earlier posting…it is a valient effort, I have enjoyed reading the posts…but my head begins to thob and spin…

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[MrS]

Are you done now? I could tear you up one side and down the other but I’m a Christian. You profess to be one. Therefore, since you are divisive it seems it is now time to reject you. You’ve been added to the ignore list sir. Have a good night.

my loss… but I think not your gain

Jesus came to divide… please don’t add Him to your list.

 

[MrS]

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Newbie1234 is here to “save us” from the errors of the Catholic Church. The various threads about Fatima and Revelation Chapter 12 make for interesting but frustrating reads as Newbie1234 and Myfavoritemartian are here to convert and not to truly discourse

As I said in an earlier posting…it is a valient effort, I have enjoyed reading the posts…but my head begins to thob and spin…

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not to worry… they have no foundation for their truth. Any way, it is God who converts… and He will do that in His time… even for MFM and the newbie12345

by the way… are you anywhere near Bishop Vasa??