FBI To Wrote Their Own Subpoenas

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On June 6, in a closed-door session, the Senate Intelligence Committee approved a bill that, if Congress and the president agree (and he will), would dramatically expand the FBI’s powers under the Patriot Act to issue secret administrative subpoenas for an unprecedented range of personal records—without having to go to a judge.

The FBI will write its own subpoenas—just as British customs officials in the colonies did before the American Revolution—using general search warrants (writs of assistance) to go into homes and offices at will to look for contraband. These raids so inflamed 18th-century Americans that the “general search warrant” was one of the precipitating causes of our revolution.

The ACLU’s superb Washington staff bluntly explains the impact of the proposal: “This power would let agents seize personal records [it deems relevant to an intelligence investigation] from medical facilities, libraries, hotels, gun dealers, banks and any other businesses, without having to appear before a judge, and without any evidence that the people whose records are collected are involved in any criminal activity.” (Emphasis added.)

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And this is S. B. what? Hentoff is a generally thorough journalist, but to not even provide this basic information? Is this a case like bogus reports about the Bush administration trying to reinstate the draft?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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mlchance:
And this is S. B. what? Hentoff is a generally thorough journalist, but to not even provide this basic information? Is this a case like bogus reports about the Bush administration trying to reinstate the draft?

– Mark L. Chance.
I’ve read oother reports about peoople really fearful of this entire scenario – where are the checks and balances? – we’ve seen the deterioration in the FBI after the Atlantic City bombing, after several people had their reputations ruined due to “leaks” and lately the new “memoirs” of one who apparently never understood the term confidential…I suggest that letting ANY one group issue their own subpoena’s is not a good idea.
 
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HagiaSophia:
I’ve read oother reports about peoople really fearful of this entire scenario – where are the checks and balances?
Better question: What is the S. B. number? What the actual text of the bill? Lots of people were really fearful about the Bush administration reinstating the draft, regardless of the fact that there were never any plans to do so.

I did a bit of googling and can’t find any mention of the actual bill. (Which isn’t to say such a bill doesn’t exist, of course.)

In our brave new world of “fake but accurate” reporting about President Bush, I’ve grown a bit skeptical.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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HagiaSophia:
The ACLU’s superb Washington staff bluntly explains the impact of the proposal: “This power would let agents seize personal records [it deems relevant to an intelligence investigation] from medical facilities, libraries, hotels, gun dealers, banks and any other businesses, without having to appear before a judge, and without any evidence that the people whose records are collected are involved in any criminal activity.” (Emphasis added.)
This really bugs me.

When the Patriot Act was first going to be voted on, I tried to tell my conservative Republicans that this thing was intrusive and is going to give the government unlimited authority to dissolve the fourth amendment.

They told me I was crazy and paranoid and that we needed it to protect against terror. They said, “no way, the searches still have to go through judicial process” as if that’s any consolation. This Patriot Act could be the single most destructive thing that has been passed in quite a while. More important than abortion, I’d even go so far to say, in terms of protecting our whole system of government and illusion of freedom.

Did you know the Patriot Act specifically allows for the government to serve a “stealth” warrant to search your house when you aren’t home, and not tell you they were there? For a song they were allowed to come into your home without telling you they were even there, and plant bugs that record all of your computer keyboard activity among other things, and you don’t even have to be served with a warrant. With a warrant you can at least say, “hey, your warrant has the address of the guy next door.”

By the time the chicken-hearted, sycophant Republicans who keep this Patriot Act from getting shot down in flames, figure this thing out, it will be too late. George Orwell only guessed at how the future could be, given the technology being made available to government. Well, the technology is here and is fully capable of fully implementing Orwell’s fantasies plus go way beyond.

In this particular issue, I side squarely against the Republicans. They are either reckless or indifferent with our system of government, and are selling enough people on government as security blanket that they can now do anything to anybody.

Those who say, “what, do you have anything to hide,” can just sign up to see what it’s like to be harrassed for political reasons by politicians with unchecked powers at their disposal.

There’s something useful for the liberal Supreme Court to shoot down. If we ever needed it, we need it now. Even with their liberality, I think they’d be too chicken to go very much against the Patriot Act, but I hope I’m wrong.

Alan
 
Patriot Act II – is it a prudent step to stem terrorist activity in the U.S. and protect the homeland, or a Draconian measure designed to strip the last vestiges of freedom from the American landscape?

Such is the question increasingly on the minds of Internet users, many of whom come down squarely on the side of legal experts who warn of the legislation’s danger. Though an actual bill to further expand federal law-enforcement powers has not been introduced, activists for months have communicated online about what they see as potential Nazi-like developments.

"…Though Patriot Act II has not been officially introduced in Congress, a Department of Justice draft version of the bill, named the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, was obtained in January 2003 by the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit investigative organization. The draft [a .pdf document] is marked “Confidential, not for distribution.” The document includes an analysis of the expanded powers and a draft of the bill itself.

Also in January 2003, the PBS program “Now with Bill Moyers” obtained a Department of Justice Office of Legislative Affairs “control sheet,” which suggested a draft of the bill was sent to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert and Vice President Richard Cheney.

"…Dr. David Cole, a Georgetown University Law professor, analyzed the draft and stated the proposal would “radically expand law enforcement and intelligence gathering authorities, reduce or eliminate judicial oversight over surveillance, authorize secret arrests, create a DNA database based on unchecked executive ‘suspicion,’ create new death penalties, and even seek to take American citizenship away from persons who belong to or support disfavored political groups.”
The American Civil Liberties Union has analyzed the draft of the bill and lists several new government powers it would establish. Those include:
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* The removal of the requirement to disclose the identity of anyone who is charged in a terror-related investigation until that person is charged, regardless of how long it may take;

* Creating a new category of "domestic security surveillance" that permits electronic eavesdropping of entirely domestic activity under looser standards than are provided for ordinary criminal surveillance;

* Repealing the current court limits on local police spying on religious and political activity;

* The ability to obtain credit records and library records without a warrant;

* Expansion of the definition of terrorism whereby individuals engaged in civil disobedience could risk losing their citizenship, and their organization could be subject to wiretapping and asset seizure;

* Sheltering federal agents engaged in illegal surveillance without a court order from criminal prosecution if they are following orders of high Executive Branch officials;

* Americans could be extradited, searched and wiretapped at the behest of foreign nations, whether or not treaties allow it; and
  • Lawful immigrants would be stripped of the right to a fair deportation hearing and federal courts would not be allowed to review immigration rulings.
The ACLU also points out the proposal would lessen the ability of the media to cover government activity by shutting down access to information about terrorism suspects who have not been charged, information about grand jury proceedings involving terror investigations, and public information about health and safety hazards of chemical and other plants.

Critics stress that Section 102 of the draft bill, which expands who it is the government can subject to surveillance, could also squelch press freedoms. Current law says a U.S. citizen gathering information for a foreign entity can be wiretapped, for example, only if there is a suspicion of a violation of the law. The new measure would remove the need for suspicion, thereby applying to citizens the current standard used with non-citizens.

“This amendment would permit electronic surveillance of a local activist who was preparing a report on human rights for London-based Amnesty International, a ‘foreign political organization,’ even if the activist was not engaged in any violation of law,” stated the ACLU.

While a provision in the original Patriot Act gave the Justice Department the power to look at public library records, criticism of the provision caused Attorney General John Ashcroft to back away from actually using the new privilege. The ACLU analysis touches on an expansion of the power, saying, “Patriot Act II would give the government new powers to issue ‘administrative subpoenas’ and to enforce what it calls ‘national security letters’ to obtain confidential library, Internet and bookstore records – without going to court at all.”

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FBI agents conceded using Title III, the section of the USA PATRIOT Act that covers money laundering, in Operation G-string – an investigation of corruption allegations against a strip-club owner in Las Vegas. The agents used Section 314 to seize the financial records of local elected officials the FBI thought might have taken money from the owner.

That section allows the government to conduct wide-ranging searches of “financial institutions” in cases involving suspected “terrorist acts or money laundering.” And the “or” apparently is the key word in this case.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., whose district includes Las Vegas, expressed anger about the use of these provisions in a case in which the FBI conceded terrorism was not involved. In a letter to Ashcroft, Berkley wrote, “In my opinion, the use of the PATRIOT Act in this context violates both the spirit and intent of this important legislation.” She asked Ashcroft for a “full explanation of your views on the scope of the PATRIOT Act and other investigative areas [in which] you foresee using the PATRIOT Act in the future.”

But other critics of the action say that, if Berkley really were concerned with the scope of the USA PATRIOT Act’s Title III, she’d be better off addressing questions to members of her party in the U.S. Senate who wrote the money-laundering provisions and who insisted they be attached to the final bill. Sen. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md., then chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, simply had tweaked a draconian money-laundering proposal already in the drawer before Sept 11.

After 9-11, Republican House leaders and the Bush administration wanted it considered only as separate legislation but, as confirmed by a LexisNexis database search of this period, Democrats were adamant that it be attached to the USA PATRIOT Act. To do otherwise is “just something we cannot accept,” then Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., was quoted as saying in October 2001 by The Hill newspaper…"

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HagiaSophia:
Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., whose district includes Las Vegas, expressed anger about the use of these provisions in a case in which the FBI conceded terrorism was not involved. In a letter to Ashcroft, Berkley wrote, “In my opinion, the use of the PATRIOT Act in this context violates both the spirit and intent of this important legislation.” She asked Ashcroft for a “full explanation of your views on the scope of the PATRIOT Act and other investigative areas [in which] you foresee using the PATRIOT Act in the future.”

But other critics of the action say that, if Berkley really were concerned with the scope of the USA PATRIOT Act’s Title III, she’d be better off addressing questions to members of her party in the U.S. Senate who wrote the money-laundering provisions and who insisted they be attached to the final bill. Sen. Paul Sarbanes, D-Md., then chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, simply had tweaked a draconian money-laundering proposal already in the drawer before Sept 11.
This has me bonkers.

This was another thing I tried to tell fellow conservatives as I urged them not to back this bill. I said it was written in such a way to allow wiggle room so that this will eventually be applied to everything. They said, “no, no. It only applies to terrorism, and that our Biggest Fear now, so don’t you go saying my man is not about fighting terrorism.”

They made the mistake of listening to politicians argue over what’s in it, when not a one of them read it. I read some portions of it, so I do not need the consent of political experts or journalists to know what it is opening the door for.

Just wait and see if you don’t believe me. It will be used for commercial interests and marketing purposes as the government enables more consumer data collecting and lowers the general degree of individual privacy across the board. Is will be used for social engineering purposes, for illegal political retailiation, for harassment of entire groups of people, for revision of political district boundary lines, to create tax policy, to use data mining techniques to finger potential abusers of environmental regulations, just to name a few.

The Patriot Act will soon make polling obsolete. Instead of asking a few people to volunteer opinions, we will know everything about everybody, and use computer profiles to instantly match profiles of anyone we want.

You know how easy it is to find information on the web by doing a Google search? Well, the government will have its own little “Intranet” which, of course, will leak profusely from security standpoint like the IRS computers have just done, and will be able pull you up on a list of People Who Increased Their Electric Usage this year, so they can check whether this indicates a house addition or a marijuana growing operation – which of course, causes terrorism.

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
This has me bonkers.
It is becoming the serpent in the garden of freedom from the sound of it. Remember RICO? They assured us it was ONLY to fight organized crime. They publicly discussed using RICO against the bishops of the United States at one point.
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AlanFromWichita:
This was another thing I tried to tell fellow conservatives as I urged them not to back this bill. I said it was written in such a way to allow wiggle room so that this will eventually be applied to everything. They said, “no, no. It only applies to terrorism, and that our Biggest Fear now, so don’t you go saying my man is not about fighting terrorism.”
I know that we are in a new kind of war, it takes new weapons, it takes new techniques but if in the process we lose our way of life permanently what a pyrrhic victory. I can understand that when boots are on the ground and the nation is under attack certain restrictions are necessary, but they are of a temporary nature and certainly do not encompass search and seizure without the proper warrants and judicial process. It certainly does not include pressuring librarians to offer information on what books people are reading either.

I remember the testimony of Monica Lewinski who had her bookseller deposed on the reading material she purchased and the FBI detaining her for an entire day without telling her she did not have to answer their questions and could leave at any time. I hardly considered Ms. Lewinski an “enemy of the state”.

There should be no single agency without checks and balances…the laws we have are there for a reason, protection of civil rights is a critical issue. And with the current state of the FBI – no thanks. People had better tune out American Idol and Paris Hilton and keep a close eye on this situation as it develops. The plight of that poor security guard in Atlanta and the recent disclosures about Deep Throat should send a warning bell about people let loose who misuse and misappropriate authority and information about others.
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AlanFromWichita:
which of course, causes terrorism.
When the state becomes tyrannical, and makes any individual an enemy of that tyranny, it is always called whatever they need to call it in order to legally do what they want to do. The German courts were in operation up until the very end.

And as two popes have alluded, the days of the catacombs could well come again.
 
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Lance:
If the ACLU is against it, it can’t be that bad.
That is an excellent “first cut” method of deciding.

Remember that we can divide the country by Reps and Dems, or we can divide it into government/citizen. In this case I wish the ACLU had power because I don’t look at the Patriot Act as political tool to decide which party, but a universal threat of government against governed.

Sometimes the ACLU may fight on the right side of a cause, whether or not they have the right motives. This political thing would be so much simpler if we could just isolate the good guys from the bad guys. In this case, the ACLU might be both.

To paraphrase Shakespeare a bit, the ACLU does not do the Right Thing by its nature, but does so sometimes by chance.

Alan
 
Comments by liberal Justice Stephen Breyer during oral arguments in the landmark Supreme Court property-rights case appear to support Justice Clarence Thomas’ assertion that the ruling essentially has erased a key clause from the Constitution’s Fifth Amendment.

The 5-4 decision Thursday allows a local government to seize a home or business against the owner’s will for the purpose of private development.

The debate centered on the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for “public use.”

Until now, that has been interpreted to mean projects such as roads, schools and urban renewal. But officials in New London, Conn., argued that private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth, even though the area was not blighted.

In his addition to the dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote: “If such ‘economic development’ takings are for a ‘public use,’ any taking is, and the Court has erased the Public Use Clause from our Constitution.”

Breyer, who sided with the majority, appears to make Thomas’ point in an exchange with Scott G. Bullock of the Institute For Justice in Washington, D.C., which represented New London residents whose homes are slated for demolition in favor of an office complex.

Bullock argued that for more than 200 years, the court has recognized “that there are limits on eminent domain power, that they cannot be used for private cases.”

But Breyer, citing the late Justice William O. Douglas, says, "as long as it’s an objecitive within Congress and legislature’s legitimate grant of power, they can do it, I mean, as long as there’s a – so why does there have to be a limit within that broad limit?

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HagiaSophia:
In his addition to the dissenting opinion, Thomas wrote: “If such ‘economic development’ takings are for a ‘public use,’ any taking is, and the Court has erased the Public Use Clause from our Constitution.”
… and replaced it with “land ownership goes to whosever billfold talks most clearly to us.”

Depriving a man of property, and giving it to someone with more money because he’s rich and pays more taxes. Reverse Robin Hood.

Government for Sale! :mad:
 
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