"Fear of Death"

[Byzman]

Okay everybody…please explain…because I am trying to get a better grasp and concept on that man’s fear of death leads to sin.

 

[Able]

Paul the Apostle said this…

hilippians 2:12-13

* "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Able

 

[aspirant]

I am trying to get a better grasp and concept on that man’s fear of death leads to sin.

Many sins are rooted in fear, ultimately the fear of death. Imagine, for example, the avaricious man. He gathers and hoards as many things as he can. Why? On some level he fears that if he does not have them he will not be able to preserve his life. He wants a well-built home to protect him from the elements, a fancy security system to keep out potentially dangerous intruders, extra food in his pantry so he won’t run out, etc. He lives in fear, and his avarice arises primarily from that.

 

[Byzman]

Paul the Apostle said this…

hilippians 2:12-13

* "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Able

Umm…yeah!..I dont think that pertains to this.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I would suggest that fear of death may encourage one to “eat, drink, and be merry” both to distract himself from the thought of death, and to get as much pleasure as possible before that inevitable end.

 

[Able]

Umm…yeah!..I dont think that pertains to this.

Is this what your looking for?

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Keep your eyes upon Jesus.

Able

 

[Byzman]

Is this what your looking for?

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Keep your eyes upon Jesus.

Able

Good verses here! I see what you are trying to do. But, then again, this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for the ever old belief that the fear of death leads to sin. This belief in fact is held by the antiquities, and yes, the ancients also knew of thoses verses you use.

Oh…and one more thing… what happens when someone that “dwelleth in God” commits sin?

 

[wjp984]

I don’t know what it’s based on but it makes sense to me. There is no way to know for sure God exists so since there is doubt that means one would fear death. As a result of fearing death and doubt, one is tempted for instant gratification in sin rather than take a risk that there may not be a God or an eternal life. I mean, think of all the sins we do. If God came down individually and said not to do something and we knew absolutely for sure that God existed, wouldn’t it be a lot harder to sin and knowingly 100% without a doubt offend God?

 

[Zabdi_Premjit]

Since verses are being quoted, I will quote some too!

I could be wrong, but I assumed that the concept of “fear of death” leading sin came from this passage:

Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (Hebrews 2: 8-16)

It might also be noted that a state of fear naturally leads to some level of irrationality. Since our reason is a part of the image of God, this obscuring of reason is an obscuring of the image of God itself. Because of this disease of an obscured reason, our perception is faulty and we are prone to delusion. That is, we fail to comprehend the correct path at times, and so, even when aiming toward good, we often miss the mark, due to misconceptions on what is good. We think we are choosing good, but we are deluded. This is, as I understand it, the core of the doctrine of “fear of death” being the chief consequence of Original Sin, and a source of our sinfulness. However, I am not the most learned, so it is best to hear from wiser persons, in case I am mistaken.

Also, I believe there are probably several threads in the EC section that touch on this. A search of the forum may be useful.

God bless!

 

[Byzman]

Since verses are being quoted, I will quote some too!

I could be wrong, but I assumed that the concept of “fear of death” leading sin came from this passage:

It might also be noted that a state of fear naturally leads to some level of irrationality. Since our reason is a part of the image of God, this obscuring of reason is an obscuring of the image of God itself. Because of this disease of an obscured reason, our perception is faulty and we are prone to delusion. That is, we fail to comprehend the correct path at times, and so, even when aiming toward good, we often miss the mark, due to misconceptions on what is good. We think we are choosing good, but we are deluded. This is, as I understand it, the core of the doctrine of “fear of death” being the chief consequence of Original Sin, and a source of our sinfulness. However, I am not the most learned, so it is best to hear from wiser persons, in case I am mistaken.

Also, I believe there are probably several threads in the EC section that touch on this. A search of the forum may be useful.

God bless!

That is a pretty good explanation. I never really looked at it that way before. That was much better than quoting verses from the BIble that do not apply to what I was referring to.