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Hi there,
I was just wondering, in this day and age when we really have to defend the faith, how does one be courageous like the early saints. I’m very insecure, I don’t mid talking about Jesus, it’s just that when I have to admonish someone and defend the faith, how do I do that? I just really want to stop being afraid of what people will think or say, how do I be a fearless witness to Christ?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks and a blessed New Year to everyone!
 
There are many acts of mercy, and to me “admonish the sinner” is over-emphasized. And it doesn’t have to be complicated, although it seems we’ve made it seem like it has to be. You do not need a Ph.D. in theology to follow Jesus. In fact there are scores of people who are Christians intellectually, but they are missing the spiritual growth opportunities that Jesus came to offer us. There is a difference between being a Christian, and being Christlike.

For example, look at the verse I’m currently using in my signature:

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of speech, lest the cross of Christ should be made void. (1 Cor 1:17, DR)

The Good News isn’t about knowing a bunch of stuff, or following a labyrinth of complicated rules – rules that every day scholars on these forums battle out what they actually are. Knowing rules that is, and/or holding others responsible for knowing stuff and following rules. That’s what apologetics is all about. But while you’re learning apologetics, get on with your own spiritual growth. That’s where you will become strong; you will not feel you have to prop up even the things you believe in order to live – and the Holy Spirit guides you and gives you the words you need when you need them. If your heart is right, you don’t have to have a slick tongue in order to win over people; it will naturally show itself as you continue to dismantle your “false self” on your journey to letting your true self emerge.

Honestly I think that every Christian should take a one year sabbatical of attempting this act of mercy even in our minds, if for no other reason than to deprogram ourselves from thinking that finding fault and trying to fix others is the “bread and butter” of being a Christian.

Note also that there are very few instances of Christ “admonishing the sinner,” except when He unleashed himself on the moneychangers in the temple, and when calling down Church authorities for what crime? Yes… ADMONISHING THE SINNER. Note that when the leaders of the church caught Jesus’s friends red-handed doing something wrong, Jesus PREVENTS them from admonishing His friends, and instead scolds them thoroughly and harshly.

I understand that it was their attitudes that specifically caused Jesus to yell at them and not precisely that they admonished the sinner, but I think that is the big risk. Admonishing the sinner implies that I know somebody is a sinner, and it is My Job to tell them that. That can be very awkward socially and spiritually, to say the least. And those people Jesus scolded were only doing what came naturally to them and their egos, telling other people whether they are right or wrong. I think one should learn about true humility before attempting this, or it will make us arrogant and condescending if we didn’t start out that way.

So my advice is to let others do the admonishing for a while, unless you have particular situations you need to deal with in which case let’s hear about them and see what might work until such time as you become stronger. IOW, if you want to be a good apologist, start by learning how to grow spiritually yourself, you know the plank in your own eye and all. When you learn mercy and love the way Jesus showed us, you will no longer have to worry about “spirits of ill will” or feelings of self-doubt or whatever confusing your language, because instead of learning to cover yourself verbally, you yourself will be healed inside to the extent that you naturally know what messages need to be conveyed – and those messages are so full of love that it is not hard at all to know what to say in words.

I know this is a bit abstract, but maybe if you provide some examples of situations you’d like to learn how to handle I could be a little more focused.

Alan
 
Hi there,
I was just wondering, in this day and age when we really have to defend the faith, how does one be courageous like the early saints. I’m very insecure, I don’t mid talking about Jesus, it’s just that when I have to admonish someone and defend the faith, how do I do that? I just really want to stop being afraid of what people will think or say, how do I be a fearless witness to Christ?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks and a blessed New Year to everyone!
It’s important to understand your own place in the scheme of things. You don’t have to admonish every random sinner who comes along - only those who fall under your authority - your children; your students (if the subject you teach pertains in some way to the sin you are seeing your student commit); your employee (if their sin is interfering with their productivity or is contrary to company regulations). And only when you know for certain that a sin has been committed.

For example, there is one person whom I suspect of using drugs, but so far, I have no proof, so all I can do is make general statements within his hearing about the dangers of drug use. If I actually catch him red-handed, of course he will be let go from our program.
 
“Honestly I think that every Christian should take a one year sabbatical of attempting this act of mercy even in our minds, if for no other reason than to deprogram ourselves from thinking that finding fault and trying to fix others is the “bread and butter” of being a Christian.”–quote from Alan, I messed up the quote box thing when I tried not to repeat the whole post.

Alan, capital advice! Most excellent! I think I will adopt it as a New Year’s resolution, perhaps substituting another spiritual work of mercy such as patiently dealing with the troublesome in its place, along with, of course, praying for the living and the dead. I’m sure Our Lord would be more pleased if I attempted to cultivate the virtue of patience more than if I were to continue to go around “pointing things out,” even in my own mind!
 
It’s important to understand your own place in the scheme of things. You don’t have to admonish every random sinner who comes along
I agree.
  • only those who fall under your authority
I have seen this posted more than once. Is this a church teaching?

The reason I ask is that, if I happen to be hanging out with a group of people and they are doing something obviously wrong, I will definitely tell them it’s wrong. “I’m not down with that” or whatever language I use, based on the people and the environment.

People know that certain things I will not agree with. And I believe that is part of being a good witness.

I obviously wouldn’t walk up to a random person and put my life at risk just to admonish, but I think we can sometimes admonish, charitably those who are not under our authority.

I think sometimes to stay silent in the midst of major sin is wrong.

Am I wrong?
 
I agree.

I have seen this posted more than once. Is this a church teaching?

The reason I ask is that, if I happen to be hanging out with a group of people and they are doing something obviously wrong, I will definitely tell them it’s wrong. “I’m not down with that” or whatever language I use, based on the people and the environment.

People know that certain things I will not agree with. And I believe that is part of being a good witness.

I obviously wouldn’t walk up to a random person and put my life at risk just to admonish, but I think we can sometimes admonish, charitably those who are not under our authority.

I think sometimes to stay silent in the midst of major sin is wrong.

Am I wrong?
In the case you mention, you are not so much “admonishing the sinner” as simply mentioning the fact that you will not participate in the sin. There is a fine line, but in this case, using “I” messages gets the point across without actually scolding someone - you can say, “Should we really be gossiping about so-and-so? I feel that my time will be better spent praying for her,” and with that, you depart from the group, or else change the subject.

Or if someone is making some kind of awful joke, you can simply say, “I don’t find that sort of thing all that funny,” and again, either walk away or change the subject. The object being not so much to admonish the other person, but to avoid participating in the sin yourself, and making it clear to others that this is your intention.
 
“Honestly I think that every Christian should take a one year sabbatical of attempting this act of mercy even in our minds, if for no other reason than to deprogram ourselves from thinking that finding fault and trying to fix others is the “bread and butter” of being a Christian.”–quote from Alan, I messed up the quote box thing when I tried not to repeat the whole post.

Alan, capital advice! Most excellent! I think I will adopt it as a New Year’s resolution, perhaps substituting another spiritual work of mercy such as patiently dealing with the troublesome in its place, along with, of course, praying for the living and the dead. I’m sure Our Lord would be more pleased if I attempted to cultivate the virtue of patience more than if I were to continue to go around “pointing things out,” even in my own mind!
I’m glad you find it helpful. Another thing I found useful was that I tried out a new experiment for Lent – fasting from my need to feel right about any given issue. It was amazing what fruit that little experiment bore.

Alan
 
As a rule, today we don’t have to face the persecutions of those individuals even in the recent past. If you have someone inquire about your faith or belief, respond with a simple answer without going overboard. If they don’t feel you are being antagonistic they may may ask another question. Once again, answer it as simply as possible without being attacking. You might also start a response with, “As a Catholic, we believe…”. This way way it doesn’t come across as if you are speaking for them, as well as yourself. I know it always bothers me when someone expresses their opinion but grant no latitude for me having my own beliefs or they are so presumptious to imply,I have to accept exactly what they say. This approch definitely puts people on the defensive.

Another good testimony, is to lead your life by example. Attend your Mass or Divine Liturgy as prescribed by the Church. Familiarize yourself with the “Spritual Works of Mercy” and Corporal Works of Mercy", the Beatitudes and live them. Know the listing of the “Gifts of the Holy Spirit and Fruits of the Holy Spirit”. and the “Beatitudes” and live them. Setting an example through your actions will carry more weight than probably any dicussion you might have with them.
 
Hi there,
I was just wondering, in this day and age when we really have to defend the faith, how does one be courageous like the early saints. I’m very insecure, I don’t mid talking about Jesus, it’s just that when I have to admonish someone and defend the faith, how do I do that? I just really want to stop being afraid of what people will think or say, how do I be a fearless witness to Christ?? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks and a blessed New Year to everyone!
The first thing to remember is that witnessing to Christ begins within us.

The first, and perhaps hardest, fear that we have to overcome is the fear that we might have to change. That we must first remove the plank from our own eye.
The more we conform ourselves to Christ, in our hearts, the more evident that change will be to the world. The more secure we are in Christ, through the graces we receive, the easier it is for us to witness for Christ whether silently by our every action, or vocally through discussion.
So - seek through prayer any faults that you still have and commit to correcting them through God’s grace. Then you will find that - having conquered your fear of you - you will have far less fear of others.
The additional effect this will have is that people will see you as charitable, reasoned, kind, helpful, and all other things positive. Thus, when someone gets out of line and you remark on their error, the great respect you have from others will give your words weight.
St Paul says that if he could speak with the tongues of Angels and prophesy and such but have not Love - he would be like an empty gong. This speaks to the importance of our Loving witness every day that then gives true meaning and weight to our words of witness to Jesus Christ.

From your post it appears that one of you concerns is admonishing people who are speaking negatively about Christ and/or the Catholic Church. This can be very tricky.
Much depends on the specific situation and statement. Sometimes there is nothing that you CAN say that will produce a reasoned discussion.

When you do feel that intervention is warranted, you want to use phrases that are non-threatening. Things like, “That is a common misconception”, rather than shouting, “That’s a Lie!!!”, are much more effective.

I hope this helps a little

Peace
James
 
James, I loved your post. A few thoughts I have to offer:
The first, and perhaps hardest, fear that we have to overcome is the fear that we might have to change. That we must first remove the plank from our own eye.
One thing I’m finding is that it is easy to find help removing the plank from the eye. The challenge is to coordinate all the efforts such that the heavy lifting gets done but the fragile and wonderful structure of the eye is not damaged. Lately I’ve been finding much assistance in that way here at CAF and a couple other places, and it has been a huge consolation and joyful experience for me at times. When I didn’t think it was joyful, it was like compressing a spring and storing up emotional/spiritual energy that can be released somewhere. You compress, extend, bend or twist the spring, depending on what type, and then hold it in the position to store the energy. Once you know which direction you are going, that energy is available to assist in going the right direction.
The additional effect this will have is that people will see you as charitable, reasoned, kind, helpful, and all other things positive. Thus, when someone gets out of line and you remark on their error, the great respect you have from others will give your words weight.
You just gave me another idea on how to help people see me this way. All I have to do is exercise my will to instruct my heart and mind to get to work on a project to “photoshop” other people’s appearances, ideas, and actions such that no matter what they do or say to me, they come across to me as “charitable, reasoned, kind, helpful, and all other things positive.” Then I pray for the golden rule to be enabled in my conversational partner.

We should treasure enemies, since a) they give us means to test and purify our love by contemplating how to love them and how that compares to prudence, and b) they make us strong. With no resistance we can’t build muscle in spiritual realm any more than the physical realm. Then when attacked by the true enemy. We are not only ready, but easy to unite against it.
From your post it appears that one of you concerns is admonishing people who are speaking negatively about Christ and/or the Catholic Church. This can be very tricky.
Much depends on the specific situation and statement. Sometimes there is nothing that you CAN say that will produce a reasoned discussion.
Excellent point. One way is to start with the assumption that this person, being in the image of God, is powered and/or guided by love at some point in depth. If they have harsh things to say about the Church, use it as a way to help them purge of their own baggage. So let them paint an ugly picture of the church, and then curse it and blaspheme it (the picture, not the church – they don’t know the real church so it’s safe to let them attack their own handmade false targets) while they are doing it, ask them questions to help explain what they are saying. It is important not to evaluate or judge or correct or even add to what they are saying when getting them to become honest or they will put up shields and scramble their communications.

If I’m too abstract please let me know but I have like 10 jillion things to say so I’m trying to categorize them.
When you do feel that intervention is warranted, you want to use phrases that are non-threatening. Things like, “That is a common misconception”, rather than shouting, “That’s a Lie!!!”, are much more effective.
How about going the next step? Explore the line between observing and reporting, and accusing or judging.

Stick to neutral words like instead of “misception” use “point of view.” A misconception is, in fact A point of view, so you are not compromising your message to replace, “well, John, a lot of people seem to have that misconception,” with, “John, a lot of people seem to look at it that way.” After saying it the first way you need to manage possible awkwardness. After the second you don’t because it buys time. Then you can follow up with, “my way of looking at it is a little like yours, but I think it’s different.” Don’t say it’s better, or more correct, just different. This is the bait. He’s thinking, “gee, here is a so-called ‘religious’ person treating my anti-religious thoughts with respect.” If he says, “oh yeah? What are your beliefs,” you’re in. If he wants to know (either curious or defensive) what is “wrong” with his belief, then it requires a little diplomacy, just say, “well I’ve considered that point of view but at this time I don’t share it,” and refuse to get into the “right/wrong” label game because satan is better at that game then we are so we want to fight this on our home court which is based on love rather than one based on intellectual rivalry. This way you never give the person a reason to lose your respect or feel resentful toward you. And if you come down on the side of their religious enemies, they have a-bombs of resent they’ve been working on for years and they just might test one on you – that’s not always a bad thing to allow, as in shaking the dust off your feet. But it does burn bridges.

Also one word that can often save the day, “interesting.” Say, “that is an interesting view,” can you tell me more," as a code sentence for, “you are making no sense – can you say something straight?”

Now, it’s even better if you can bypass the gap discussion entirely and go directly to finding the stronghold in the mind of the other person they are clinging to. You can go many ways from here. Say, “you know, I totally understand this one thing you said, because it is also important to me.” At this point, you may choose to refrain from introducing your views yet at least not conspicuously. Or not.

Thanks for the post. Ttyl.

Alan
 
Alan,
Lots of good additional ideas. 👍

None of us can really give the OP a specific course of action and by offering these different approaches, the OP will hopefully be able select the course and approach that best fits their needs.

As we both agree though, becoming a fearless Catholic has to begin inside.

Peace
James
 
None of us can really give the OP a specific course of action and by offering these different approaches, the OP will hopefully be able select the course and approach that best fits their needs.
I don’t know. I just read these things, and when I feel moved I click reply and my fingers start doing something without any sense of advance planning. After a while it gets long enough I get curious because I forget what I’m typing as fast as it appears on the screen, so I go back and read it, edit, usually cut out a bunch if I can, occasionally add but try not to, and post.

Whether the OP has gained from this thread, I definitely feel that I have. 🙂

Alan
 
I don’t know. I just read these things, and when I feel moved I click reply and my fingers start doing something without any sense of advance planning. After a while it gets long enough I get curious because I forget what I’m typing as fast as it appears on the screen, so I go back and read it, edit, usually cut out a bunch if I can, occasionally add but try not to, and post.

Whether the OP has gained from this thread, I definitely feel that I have. 🙂

Alan
Sorry to hog the bandwidth, but I was just thinking about it and realized I wrote something that wasn’t really true. It’s like how I described earlier sometimes, but not always. Sometimes, like this post, it’s premeditated. Usually I mix and match premeditated and ad lib in any given post.

I wonder if the OP likes what we have so far, and where we might go from here?

Alan
 
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