Feast of Mary, the Mother of God

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Is Monday’s Feast of Mary the Mother of God one of those holy days of obligation that reverts to Sunday when it falls on a Saturday or a Monday, or is it one that must be celebrated on the day?

If the answer is the latter, then I’m stuck in the same position that I was whining about just after Christmas–working a 14-hour mid-shift with no afternoon masses that I can attend without feeling completely sick, which is what happens when I try to hang and go to a morning mass after a mid-shift.

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DaveBj said:
Is Monday’s Feast of Mary the Mother of God one of those holy days of obligation that reverts to Sunday when it falls on a Saturday or a Monday, or is it one that must be celebrated on the day?

If the answer is the latter, then I’m stuck in the same position that I was whining about just after Christmas–working a 14-hour mid-shift with no afternoon masses that I can attend without feeling completely sick, which is what happens when I try to hang and go to a morning mass after a mid-shift.

DaveBj
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You poor thing. To the best of my knowledge Monday’s Feast does revert to Sunday. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong on this.
 
You’re good–yes, because it falls on a Monday, the obligation to attend Mass is not there. Sunday Mass obligation, as always, is still there. (But Christmas is different from the solemnity of Mary, Mother of God. No matter when Christmas occurs the obligation to attend Mass is there.)
 
In the US, the celebration does not translate to Sunday. However, the obligation to assist at Mass is abrogated, so you do not have to go.

(Sunday remains the celebration of the Feast of the Holy Family, and is obligatory by virtue of being a Sunday)

tee
 
Would, then, attending a Mass on a Saturday that normally counts towards one’s Sunday obligation count towards Mother of God AND Sunday Mass?
 
FuzzyBunny116 said:
Would, then, attending a Mass on a Saturday that normally counts towards one’s Sunday obligation count towards Mother of God AND Sunday Mass?
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I think that one is stretching it a bit, although I guess it could. Interesting thought.

Isn’t it up to the Bishop in each area to determine that particular course of action or is it automatic?. I know that they usually have an announcement that says whether or not the Feast will be transferred. Just wondering.
 
No, as tee wrote, the obligation is not ‘transferred’ to the Sunday but abrogated.

Fuzzy, if you want to go on Saturday to satisfy your Sunday obligation (or, if like me, you have to go on Saturday because you’re stuck working on Sunday), it satisfies your Sunday obligation. You do not–this year of 2007–have an obligation to attend Mass for Monday’s solemnity. Mind you, if there were a Sunday evening Mass that was specifically for the vigil of Mary,(or if you want to go to a Mass on Monday) it would certainly be a pious and good thing for you to attend.

Now in 2008 when the feast of Mary Mother of God will be on a Tuesday–You’ll have to go to a Monday night vigil or a Tuesday Mass–no ifs, ands, or buts.
 
All of this moving around of feasts days and of changing Holy Days of Opportunity to Sundays, etc, has led to nothing but Mass Confusion!

My god people! So many complain that they must go to Mass after a long shift the night before, etc. How many of you will do the same thing if it is a ball game that you have tickets for, or a Ballet or some such.😦

St. Chrysostom hit the nail on the head:
"…while ye are become so backward with respect to things spiritual, yet as regard or what belongs to Satan ye are more vehement than fire. Thus if any one be minded to ask of you songs of devils and impure effeminate melodics, he will find many that know these perfectly, and repeat them with much pleasure…
"I am not," you will say, "one of the monks, but I have both a wife and children, and the care of a household."
Why, this is what hath ruined all, your supposing that the reading of the divine Scriptures appertains to those only, when ye need it much more than they. For they that dwell in the world,and each day receive wounds, these have most need of medicines. So that is is far worse than not reading, to account the thing even “superfluous:’ for these are the words of diabolical invention.”

Emphasis and bold type added, but not quotations.

If you paraphrase even a little by inserting “Mass”, which is where the Scriptures are truly read and expounded upon, then St. Chrysostoms words become even more relevant than they already are!
 
rciadan said:
Thus if any one be minded to ask of you songs of devils and impure effeminate melodics, he will find many that know these perfectly, and repeat them with much pleasure…e!
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I love it.

i have been in that position, working double shifts, have to go back in 8-12 hrs or less, trying to fit Mass into the schedule (with all that entails, getting kids ready etc.) and it is not a matter of laziness, it is a matter of what is physically possible sometimes so don’t be too hard on shift workers. What worked best for me was finding downtown churches closer to work (including two within walking distance, altho over the freeway or rapid tracks) and learning their Mass schedules. Got some weird looks for the chemical suit and steel toed shoes, but most churches in such industrial areas, at least in Cleveland, were used to workers dressed for work coming in before or after work on holy days and Sunday. Once saw an entire firetruck crew after a fire on Ash Wednesday, they were already covered with ashes, but eager to have more, what devotion.

In this diocese the Solemnity is still celebrated on Monday, but there is no obligation. We will have the regular daily Mass people, God bless them, and fill about 3/4 of the Church with people who take Holy Days seriously.
 
When did January 1st, first become a Holy Day of Obligation?
 
rciadan said:
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My god people! So many complain that they must go to Mass after a long shift the night before, etc. How many of you will do the same thing if it is a ball game that you have tickets for, or a Ballet or some such.😦

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RCIADan, you’re barking up the wrong tree. We don’t do ball games, and ballet in Cullman County? It is to laugh. My main concern is the nasty way my stomach and bowels feel, like whether or not I might have to run out to the bathroom (it’s happened before, tho before Mass, not during). Also, whether I might fall asleep at the wheel enroute there or home and KILL someone.

The point was not that I want to get out of going to Mass on a HDoO, but that I would like our local Catholic institutions to simply stick to their pre-published skeds for HDoO’s (including the afternoon Mass).

Anyhow, thanks to all who responded. I also found in Trigilio&Brighenti’s Catholicism for Dummies (p. 154) that Christmas and Immaculate Conception are the only HDoO’s where Mass attendance is required, even when the day falls on a Monday or Saturday.

DaveBj
 
LilyM said:
You poor thing. To the best of my knowledge Monday’s Feast does revert to Sunday. Someone will correct me if I’m wrong on this.
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Here in the Philippines it does not revert to Sunday. Monday here is a Holy Day of Obligation.
 
thistle said:
Here in the Philippines it does not revert to Sunday. Monday here is a Holy Day of Obligation.
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According to my Location (above, under the Join Date), I don’t live in the Philippines. Altho I wouldn’t mind going back. I have good memories of my three visits there (medical care at Clark AB). And I don’t mean memories of the “bad side of town” kind; I was already a Christian convert when I was there.

DaveBj
 
My hubby will Usher at the 4:30 Holy Mass on Sunday and my girls sing in the choir at 9:30am on Monday.

There is no doubt we are going twice.

But life is good and we are blessed! At least there are these Holy Masses offered to us.
 
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RCIADan, you’re barking up the wrong tree. We don’t do ball games, and ballet in Cullman County? It is to laugh. My main concern is the nasty way my stomach and bowels feel, like whether or not I might have to run out to the bathroom (it’s happened before, tho before Mass, not during). Also, whether I might fall asleep at the wheel enroute there or home and KILL someone.

The point was not that I want to get out of going to Mass on a HDoO, but that I would like our local Catholic institutions to simply stick to their pre-published skeds for HDoO’s (including the afternoon Mass).

Anyhow, thanks to all who responded. I also found in Trigilio&Brighenti’s Catholicism for Dummies (p. 154) that Christmas and Immaculate Conception are the only HDoO’s where Mass attendance is required, even when the day falls on a Monday or Saturday.

DaveBj
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That is a bit different. I think in that case even if it were HDoO, there would be an extenuating circumstance as to why not make it
BTW- I love your signature!!!
 
As further evidence of the fascism that reigns supreme in some dioceses, I knew a priest once who very nicely noted in his bulletin that Monday wasn’t a Holy Day of Obligation, but that the solemnity was still observed, of course, and that the usual expanded schedule of Masses would be offered for the convenience of the faithful.

The bishop called him and accused him of being…“divisive” and “confusing”. He said that in HIS diocese, every parish either had to 1) cancel all Masses for that day or 2) only celebrate the usual weekday Mass, with nothing extra that wouldn’t normally be done on a weekday.

Welcome to fascism.

The pastor, of course, ignored the unjust “edict”.
 
My parish bulletin lists the Mass schedule for Monday’s holy day of obligation. (Baltimore diocese)—KCT
 
thistle said:
Here in the Philippines it does not revert to Sunday. Monday here is a Holy Day of Obligation.
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Hi Thistle, you need to check with your Arch Diocese as I did:
Circular No.2006-58
15 November 2006

TO: ALL THE PRIESTS, RELIGIOUS MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF MANILA

RE: CONCURENCE OF THE VIGIL MASS OF THE SOLEMNITY OF CHRISTMAS AND THE SOLEMNITY OF MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, ON A SUNDAY

Dear Monsignori, Father, Brothers and Sisters,

Greetings of Peace in the Lord Jesus!

The Solemnity of Christmas (December 25) and the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God, the Octave Day of Christmas (January 1) this year fall on a Monday. We are aware that the celebration of a solemnity runs from the First Vespers (Evening Prayer 1) of the previous evening until the day itself and the midnight of the day of the celebration. This means that this year, the Vigil Mass of Christmas and Mass on the Eve of the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (New Year’s Eve Mass) will be celebrated on the eve of the previous day which, in this year’s case, is a Sunday.

The query of many is: which obligation is fulfilled when one goes to the evening Mass of that Sunday (December 24 and December 31). It is of the Sunday or of Christmas / New Year?

**Response: So as not to put our faithful in an irregular situation, We decree that the Vigil Mass of Christmas (December 24) and of the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (December 31) also satisfy their Sunday obligation and at the same time their Christmas / New Year obligation.
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This also requires that there is only one Vigil Mass of Christmas and of New Year on that Sunday, which usually is the last evening Mass of Sunday.

We hope that this clarification will help you guide your Christian community and celebrate with lively faith the solemn celebration of the Nativity of Our Lord.

Sincerely yours,

+GAUDENCIO B. CARDINAL ROSALES
Archbishop of Manila

While true it does not completely transfer the obligation, both can be satisfied by one Mass attendance at the Vigil.
 
****My diocese Mother of God (jan 1) is not a holy day of obligation because it Falls on a Monday it is transferred to Sunday. My parish has 5:30 PM on Saturdays (today) and 9:00 and 11:00 on sundays. My Parish Priest HOWEVER has decided to Have a Mass for Mary the Mother of God at 4PM on Sunday afternoon.

My question is can I fullfill my Sunday Obligation by attending the 4PM Mother of God Mass?

I could make th e5:30 PM mass today but have plans during that time. I would cancel my plans if the 4PM Mass tommorrow does not fulfill my obligation.
 
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