Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe

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Well, I have just returned from my parish’s celebration of the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. As I had gone to Mass earlier (and no, not 5AM; I went at noon), I had gone to help out prior to Mass and then assist with getting the food arranged. It was rather lovely and we had a very nice fiesta afterwards.

When I got home, I turned on the TV to watch the late newscast. They aired a story about the various celebrations surrounding OLG. Towards the end, the anchor said that Catholics adore Mary. Yes, I heard right, ADORE. After the newscast, I called the TV station to speak to the anchor. I explained to him that Catholics (he is one, too) do not ADORE Mary. Adoration is reserved to God alone. As Catholics, we VENERATE Mary; that’s a huge difference.

He said that Google and Yahoo had documentation to the contrary, stating that Catholics adore Mary. I told him that Google and Yahoo do not speak for the Magisterium. I also suggested that he get hold of the prayers and readings proper for today’s Mass. Yes, the prayers refer to Our Lady of Guadalupe; however, it is always directed towards God the Father, through Jesus Christ, His Son, in union with the Holy Spirit. As Fr. Mitch Pacwa said, our primary relationship is with Jesus Christ; however, we learn about the Lord through his Mother, who leads us to Him. The anchor then stated that the Church is split down the middle on this issue because scholars on “both sides of the debate” have argued for or against adoration of Mary.

I told him that he needed to check hs sources through verifiable, bona fide Catholic resources that will clearly explain the teachings of the Church regarding our veneration of the Blessed Mother. He told me that he would check. I told him to call EWTN or USCCB. I gave him the telephone numbers.

After we hung up (amicably), I thought about the homily my PV preached during lunchtime. He said that the original image of OLG didn’t have the ornamentation (gold embroidery in the pink garment nor the stars in the green cloak she wears). He said that whatever looks like it’s peeling off is not original to the Tilma. He also said that the original image, without the embellishments, is, our only “photograph” of Mary, so to speak. And, that face of Mary, is the face of Jesus, because, as Jesus has no earthly biological father, he gets his genes all from Mary. But, Mary does not overshadow her Son. She gave birth to the Sun of Justice. She leads us to her Son. Her last words in the Gospel were “Do whatever He tells you.”

The Feast of OLG, my PV concluded, goes beyond ethnicities. It’s not just a feast for Catholics of Mexican-American descent. Marian feasts are truly Catholic because they are universal; they don’t confine themselves to one people or one country. All of us our foreigners. In fact, as Pope Benedict once wrote, the word parish means a community of foreigners. Our true citizenship lies in heaven.

I do hope that the local newsanchor finally gets his facts straight so as to put our Blessed Mother in the proper perspective. She is the greatest of our saints. She is our Mother who prays for us before her Son. But, it is her Son that we worship, most pronounced, in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It is God whom we adore, in union with Mary.
 
It does appear to observers that some Catholics “adore Mary”. Some people, usually less educated, even see Mary in tortillas and fence posts and will turn these things into shrines. So, yes, there are some Catholics who are somewhat over the top with their veneration activities, and do appear to have crossed the line into Mary worship.
 
It does appear to observers that some Catholics “adore Mary”. Some people, usually less educated, even see Mary in tortillas and fence posts and will turn these things into shrines. So, yes, there are some Catholics who are somewhat over the top with their veneration activities, and do appear to have crossed the line into Mary worship.
I don’t think so. A Catholic who loves Mary so much knows who Mary is and who God is. Just because these people honor Mary in very special way that others cannot understand or are not able to, it doesn’t mean they put her above God.
 
thanks OP for an example of real practical evangelization

we left at 4:30 to set up the Parish Hall for the breakfast, start the coffee etc. Mananitas at 5 (can’t do the diacritical marks here) Mass at 6, followed by tamales, menudo, hot chocolate, breakfast tacos and OJ (can’t eat any of it, my gall bladder would bust), mariachis, more singing, a good time was had by all. We don’t have the dancers in this parish, but several parishes with more robust and active Mexican customs do, and also the processions, usually between churches. It is of course a very big deal here. Posada is not, for some reason, but it is coming back, so is Tres Reyes Santos.
 
It does appear to observers that some Catholics “adore Mary”. Some people, usually less educated, even see Mary in tortillas and fence posts and will turn these things into shrines. So, yes, there are some Catholics who are somewhat over the top with their veneration activities, and do appear to have crossed the line into Mary worship.
You may be correct, but I believe Mary always uses their misplaced focus to lead them to her son. Just like, when a young child tells his mother he “wants to marry her someday,” she is pleased at his love but points him in a more appropriate direction.
 
We used to go to Our Lady of Guadalupe parish. In fact, I was received into the Church there. I have a very special devotion to her. Our current parish did nothing for the day, except it was our advent penance service, so we went to that. 🤷 I do sometimes miss living in the city. Our little country parish does nothing special.
 
I heard this message this morning on EWTN:

Friday, Dec. 14th 10 a.m. EST

Dan Lynch, national guardian of the Image of Our Lady of Guadaloupe, will be the featured speaker on Abundant Life’s one hour program.

I saw the program a couple days ago and it is excellent! You may want to schedule this time today and view it.
 
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Dan Lynch, national guardian of the Image of Our Lady of Guadaloupe, will be the featured speaker on Abundant Life’s one hour program.
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by all means see this program because I am sure he will give a fuller explanation than most of us have heard of the meaning of the Image. What Dan actually has, and takes on pilgrimage around the country, is the Missionary Image of OL Guadalupe, a photographic lifesize replica of the original (not an artist’s rendering of the original which is the only one most of us have ever seen). When he comes to your area be sure to come out, there is no way to describe the impact of seeing her up close. Even those who go to Mexico city can only view her briefly, but with this image you can spend more time. When Dan has brought her here we have taken her around the Valley not only to parishes and missions, but to the abortion clinics where we pray regularly, so she is doubly our patroness.

I have long of course venerated Mary especially as she has appeared to the children at Fatima and Lourdes and the statues of her based on them are lovely, but there is no way to describe the emotional impact of seeing her in this image, which was her own gift to us, and Dan’s missionary image is the only way most of us will ever have to see her this way.
 
Even those who go to Mexico city can only view her briefly.
Not so. The tilma is behind glass of course, but large and hung prominently over the altar with the opportunity to pass in front (via “conveyor belt” from below the altar) or off to the side, or within the church proper. When I was there in October, I spent many hours just praying in front of the image.
 
Not so. The tilma is behind glass of course, but large and hung prominently over the altar with the opportunity to pass in front (via “conveyor belt” from below the altar) or off to the side, or within the church proper. When I was there in October, I spent many hours just praying in front of the image.
when our group has been there the trip by conveyor belt is way too short, and if the cathedral is crowded, as it usually is, it is hard to pray or even to see her properly, I am very glad you have had a better experience. also the first time our parish tour went the construction was still going on so I imagine it is better now.

by the way if you are planning a pilgrimage it may be much cheaper to fly to San Antonio or Mcallen and book a tour with a local company (which will also include a lot of stops at shopping meccas) or find out in advance from those two dioceses which parishes have pilgrimages planned, you can save hundreds of dollars this way, and go on a tour led by a priest, which concentrates on the sacred sites rather than shopping. If you are planning to be in Mexico for other reasons and making a side trip, check with local tour guides, because friends who are there now tell me that while the church is now reopened, security is much tighter, and you should go with a tour or pilgrimage, not alone.
 
when our group has been there the trip by conveyor belt is way too short, and if the cathedral is crowded, as it usually is, it is hard to pray or even to see her properly, I am very glad you have had a better experience. also the first time our parish tour went the construction was still going on so I imagine it is better now.
Go back to Mexico, puzzleannie – It can be such a wonderful experience at Guadalupe. (No construction going on right now, either 😉 ) I was there on a number of different occasions over a four day period, different times during the day, and while it was packed at certain hours, at others it was nearly empty. I’m sorry your time there had difficulties.

And, yes, the conveyor belt is short, but there are four of them running in front of the tilma, and I just would step off one and back on the other.
 
The basilica is less than 30 minutes by taxi from the Airport. If you can get a cheap fare to Mexico City, and your city has easy flight times, you can even make it a day trip.

Both times I’ve visited were during 5 hour Mexico City layovers while on business trips to Leon GTO.
 
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