I noticed that rubric this morning.This Feast does not always fall on a Sunday. “The Sunday within the Octave of the Nativity of the Lord, or, if there is no Sunday, 30 December.”
In 2016 Christmas Day is on Sunday 25 December 2016. The Feast of “The Holy Family of Jesus, Mary and Joseph” is on Friday 30 December 2016.
Don’t they count the day of as the first day? Therefore, Sunday to Sunday is 8 days when counting both Sundays. It’s the same oddness we face when we figure the 40 days of Lent and the 3 days of the Triduum which, per the calendar, are 4 days including Easter Sunday.I noticed that rubric this morning.
The rubric makes no sense. An Octave is 8 days.
How can we have a period of 8 days without a Sunday?
Last time I checked, Sundays happen every 7 days.
Of course, what it means is “if January 1 falls on a Sunday.”
I think the issue is that when Christmas falls on a Sunday, the Sunday in the Octave is also the Solemnity of the BVM, which takes precedence over the feast. Thus there is no Sunday within the Octave, so the feast is moved.I noticed that rubric this morning.
The rubric makes no sense. An Octave is 8 days.
How can we have a period of 8 days without a Sunday?
Last time I checked, Sundays happen every 7 days.
Of course, what it means is “if January 1 falls on a Sunday.”
Yes there is. Two Sundays to be exact. What is the meaning of Octave? In musical terms, it can be from C to C, counting both Cs or 8 notes; so both Sundays are “within” the octave.I think the issue is that when Christmas falls on a Sunday, the Sunday in the Octave is also the Solemnity of the BVM, which takes precedence over the feast. Thus there is no Sunday within the Octave, so the feast is moved.
But they are not “free” Sundays. They outrank the feast.Yes there is. Two Sundays to be exact. What is the meaning of Octave? In musical terms, it can be from C to C, counting both Cs or 8 notes; so both Sundays are “within” the octave.
“free Sundays,” “outrank the feast.” What? All I know is what an octave means and that in 2016, Christmas is on a Sunday and the following Sunday is the Octave of Christmas (Sunday to Sunday) or Mary, Mother of God. Period.But they are not “free” Sundays. They outrank the feast.
He meant that both sundays that fall within the Octave next year are taken- one is Christmas and the other is Mother of God- so neither are free.“free Sundays,” “outrank the feast.” What? All I know is what an octave means and that in 2016, Christmas is on a Sunday and the following Sunday is the Octave of Christmas (Sunday to Sunday) or Mary, Mother of God. Period.
But, both Sundays are part of the octave and they are not feasts, but solemnities. It’s not like counting the Sundays and Lent where Sundays are “free,” and not counted!He meant that both sundays that fall within the Octave next year are taken- one is Christmas and the other is Mother of God- so neither are free.
They are part of the Octave but they are solemnities, so the feast cannot be celebrated those days. Hence the feast is moved to Dec. 30.But, both Sundays are part of the octave and they are not feasts, but solemnities. It’s not like counting the Sundays and Lent where Sundays are “free,” and not counted!
Yes, the key difference is that it is a Feast of the Lord (as opposed to a Feast of a Saint), and as such, if it falls on a Sunday, it acquires Evening Prayer I. This is generally the case unless Christmas (and therefore, January 1st, Mary Mother of God) falls on a Sunday, which means there is no “space” for Holy Family. This then falls on December 30th, which means, as with any feast, Evening Prayer I is dropped.I know it’s classified as a feast not a solemnity, but as it always falls on a Sunday is there any actual liturgical difference? Unlike most feasts the creed will be recited. Unlike most feasts there is a Vespers I saturday night.
Now when this happens January 8th is Epiphany and then Baptism of Our Lord is on a Monday Jan, 9th t, right?I think the issue is that when Christmas falls on a Sunday, the Sunday in the Octave is also the Solemnity of the BVM, which takes precedence over the feast. Thus there is no Sunday within the Octave, so the feast is moved.
Right, Epiphany will be celebrated on Sunday, January 8th, 2017, and Baptism of the Lord will be celebrated on Monday, January 9th, 2017.Now when this happens January 8th is Epiphany and then Baptism of Our Lord is on a Monday Jan, 9th t, right?
(that is for us who celebrate Epiphany on a Sunday not always January 6th)