Fed up with Ex-Catholics who has serious with the Church

[apophasis]

That is a good one:thumbsup:

I tried to send you a P.M. today, but you’ve exceeded your limit. You need to go in and delete old messages before you can get any more P.M.s.: messages received and messages sent.

 

[Booklover]

I have come across anti-Catholicism from ex-Catholics. In most cases they left the Church because they wanted to do something the Church said they were not allowed to do, eg remarry after a divorce, marry a divorced person, have an abortion etc…

After finding a denomination that supported their decision, they then condemned the CC for all sorts of things in an effort to justify their decision.

That has been my experience anyway.

Exactly!

Vickie

 

[Mannyfit75]

I fear that’s not entirely true, my friend. There are Catholics who condemn Protestant Churches, and there are priests who have done and said some really ugly things to Protestant clergy.

There is blame on both sides. Neither can be defended or tolerated in a Christian context. But some manage anyhow.

O+

All I can say about to those Catholics is woe to them. It is better not to judge others. It doesn’t benefit others to downplay their churches. They should focus more in ecumenicism and focus on the doctrines that unites both faiths.

There are doctrinal and dogmatic differences, but with that there should be an understanding rather than opposition.

You know we Catholics gave you our answers concerning Mary, the saints, purgatory, the Pope. We don’t expect you to believe because you are not a member of Our Catholic Church but are still a member of the Mystical Body of Christ since Protestants are baptized in the Trinitarian formula.

We seek Protestants to understand our beliefs not condemned them. I have seen in this forum, many Non-Catholic Christians say, that is wrong.

They bring out prayers about Mary that appear to be distorted and use that prayer to say we worship Mary like God, which in fact we do not.

I been in this forum for over a year now and you have probably been in this forum longer than I.

We Catholics seek understanding from our separated brothers and sisters in Christ. Nothing more. We do desire them to have the fullness of Truth which the Catholic Church teaches.

Let me end by quoting the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious **dissensions appeared and large communities **became **separated from full communion with the Catholic Church **- for which, often enough, **men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 **- do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, **there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.**271

818 “However, **one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . **All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as **brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”**272

 

[St_Violet]

I’m almost certain that there are probably more protestant churches condemning the catholic church then there are Catholic Churches condemning Protestant Churches, Notice I did not say Catholic people, i said Churches (including people, doctrines, services, etc) sure I understand that there are SOME catholics might say something negative toward a Protestant Church (obviously not as much as protestants) and vice versa, but I have never seen a Catholic Church based it’s doctrines on the evils of the protestant church, infact you would never see a Catholic Church holding seminar on how sinful, evil a Protestant Church is.

 

[ACbishop]

I am not going to name names. Many of the new members here who were Catholics but left has a zeal that is pure anger and hatred.

and he insist in “never coming back to the Catholic Church.” I don’t know what the big deal is. Is not a Christianity suppose to have charity?

This only proves my point from comparing Ex-Protestants who are now Catholic embrace their old faith tradition, while Ex-Catholic turn Protestant attack the Church.

They claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit but they are not.

For Jesus said in Matthew 5:22.

So I tell you my Christians brothers and sisters. Don’t attack the Church because if you do, you are no better than Satan himself and you are not worthy to call yourself a Christian.

Note I said fed up or frustrated but not anger.

For many of us, the problem isn’t in the beliefs of the Catholic church or the practices; it lies with the authority of your church and how it came to be. I would contest the origin of papal infallibility for starters and what it has made the Catholic church today. I pray the Rosary, celebrate 7 sacrements, observe the communion of saints and recite the Nicene Creed evey Sunday. I also partake in the body and blood of Christ and cross myself with holy water immediately following communion. I consider myself fully Christian and fully Catholic, but just not Roman Catholic.

 

[Titus]

For many of us, the problem isn’t in the beliefs of the Catholic church or the practices; it lies with the authority of your church and how it came to be. I would contest the origin of papal infallibility for starters and what it has made the Catholic church today. I pray the Rosary, celebrate 7 sacrements, observe the communion of saints and recite the Nicene Creed evey Sunday. I also partake in the body and blood of Christ and cross myself with holy water immediately following communion. I consider myself fully Christian and fully Catholic, but just not Roman Catholic.

The Catholic Church is the only church that follows directly from Christ. Roughly 2000 years of history. It has not split off from anyone (saving the Orthodox- and that is, I agree, a difficult case, and one quite different from the CofE’s situation) and it is not founded by man, but by God.

The Church of England was founded as a rejection of the Authority of the Pope in the matter of Henry VIII being able to do pretty much whatever the hell he wanted. How is that the good basis of a religion (bearing in mind that the Anglican Communion is the daughter of the CofE).

And I hate to say this but the Holy See has made it clear to Catholics (what you would call Roman Catholics, but that term is never used by the Church) that Anglican orders are null. Thus we cannot believe you have ‘7 Sacraments’.

What I do hope is that we can all reach out in love and share our Christian duties in as many fields as possible (eg in defence of life). I hope and pray that that will lead to the reunion of the separated brethren to the Church.

 

[KatieD]

I think you’re right. It is very good for us to reach out, to continue to pray for those who are separated from the Church, and to work together on common concerns, like defending life.

As far as churches judging or saying nasty things about each other, I am a cradle Catholic, and I can honestly say that I never heard anyone either at home or church (and never from a priest or nun) say mean things about Protestant denominations. Not until I married my husband and started hearing comments about Catholicism from his Mormon and evangelical relatives did I ever experience this. Fortunately, over the years, some of them have learned a bit more about the Church and have begun to overcome some of the misinformation with which they were raised.

 

[sosayi1960]

For many of us, the problem isn’t in the beliefs of the Catholic church or the practices; it lies with the authority of your church and how it came to be. I would contest the origin of papal infallibility for starters and what it has made the Catholic church today. I pray the Rosary, celebrate 7 sacrements, observe the communion of saints and recite the Nicene Creed evey Sunday. I also partake in the body and blood of Christ and cross myself with holy water immediately following communion. I consider myself fully Christian and fully Catholic, but just not Roman Catholic.

I left the church because of the Pope and the teachings of the church which, in some instances, contradict 2000 years of Christian history.
My wife has remained a Cathoilc. I’m not angry, I just don’t believe in the “teaching authority” of the church. The Bible is the word of God.

 

[Techno2000]

I am not going to name names. Many of the new members here who were Catholics but left has a zeal that is pure anger and hatred.

and he insist in “never coming back to the Catholic Church.” I don’t know what the big deal is. Is not a Christianity suppose to have charity?

This only proves my point from comparing Ex-Protestants who are now Catholic embrace their old faith tradition, while Ex-Catholic turn Protestant attack the Church.

They claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit but they are not.

For Jesus said in Matthew 5:22.

So I tell you my Christians brothers and sisters. Don’t attack the Church because if you do, you are no better than Satan himself and you are not worthy to call yourself a Christian.

Note I said fed up or frustrated but not anger.

A ex-Catholic and a Jack Chick interpretation is a Dangerous Thing

 

[mayra_hart]

i always rely on protestant converts stories to defend my catholic believe against this ex catholics arracks. i tell you scott hahn become so useful.
Our Lady of Guadalupe

God of power and mercy, you blessed the Americas at Tepeyac with the presence of the Virgin Mary of Guadalupe. May her prayers help all men and women to accept each other as brothers and sisters. Through your justice present in our heats, may your peace reign in the world. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I left the church because of the Pope and the teachings of the church which, in some instances, contradict 2000 years of Christian history.

What teachings of the Catholic Church contradict the Bible? To be honest, there isn’t one. Not one.

Many of the things many of you Ex-Catholics think what the Church teaches is based on your opinions. If you thoroughly read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it quotes Scripture, Vatican Council II, Patristic writings.

I don’t expect you to list the false accusations you have about the Church that contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ, because many of these Protestant objection of the Catholic faith are merely misconception or misunderstanding on your part.

 

[Mannyfit75]

A ex-Catholic and a Jack Chick interpretation is a Dangerous Thing

They are dangerous, because what they taught regarding the false may give Catholics who do not know their faith to fall, and cause them to leave the Church.

These people distort the teachings of the Catholic Church, which base on false assumptions. To know the teachings of the Church you have to read the Catechism, Vatican documents, Papal Encyclicals concerning moral and faith issues…

 

[fellowChristian]

I left the church because of the Pope and the teachings of the church which, in some instances, contradict 2000 years of Christian history.
My wife has remained a Cathoilc. I’m not angry, I just don’t believe in the “teaching authority” of the church. The Bible is the word of God.

2 Peter 1:20
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

Matthew 16:18
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Ephesians 1:22
And he put all things beneath his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church

1 Corinthians 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

Matthew 18:17
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.

Acts 8:27
So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship,
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and was returning home. Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
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The Spirit said to Philip, “Go and join up with that chariot.”
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Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
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He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.

Sounds like Jesus left us a teaching church with authority.The Bible is the word of God Amen- I believe!

 

[mary_bobo]

That has also been my experience. Remarriage seems to be the biggie. Whether for themselves or their spouse.

I think you maybe right. But don’t forget the other moral issues that trip up so many, i.e. ABC, abortion, premarital sex, homosexual sex, etc. I sadness for people who think they know better than the Church. I call it pure selfishness. I am just so glad that I was in Catholic schools for twelve years where religion was a part of almost every class. Yes, we learned the Catechism by rote, but I never forgot it and I think that is the case with the majority of people so educated.

 

[Sixtus]

Mannyfit said:

I am not going to name names. Many of the new members here who were Catholics but left has a zeal that is pure anger and hatred.

Working for the Criminal Justice System, among the worst offenders I have come across are ex-Catholics

It seems that when they abandon the morality of the faith, they abandon morality period.

 

[ACbishop]

The Catholic Church is the only church that follows directly from Christ. Roughly 2000 years of history. It has not split off from anyone (saving the Orthodox- and that is, I agree, a difficult case, and one quite different from the CofE’s situation) and it is not founded by man, but by God.

The Church of England was founded as a rejection of the Authority of the Pope in the matter of Henry VIII being able to do pretty much whatever the hell he wanted. How is that the good basis of a religion (bearing in mind that the Anglican Communion is the daughter of the CofE).

And I hate to say this but the Holy See has made it clear to Catholics (what you would call Roman Catholics, but that term is never used by the Church) that Anglican orders are null. Thus we cannot believe you have ‘7 Sacraments’.

What I do hope is that we can all reach out in love and share our Christian duties in as many fields as possible (eg in defence of life). I hope and pray that that will lead to the reunion of the separated brethren to the Church.

You are wrong in your judgment of King Henry. First of all, his marriage took place under a dispensation because it was not justified by church teaching. Secondly, Pope Clement was under severe pressure by the emperor to deny Henry the annulment which was purely the politics of the Catholic church. As for the Anglican church, it was started by the coming back to the teachings of the early church and the Bible, the annulment issue was an event second in nature to the formation of the system of beliefs and worship which became our first Book of Common Prayer.

 

[Eileen_T]

Originally Posted by maryjk
That has also been my experience. Remarriage seems to be the biggie. Whether for themselves or their spouse.

Did you notice that in all of these examples, it comes down to sex? Putting their own sexual desires before the clear teaching of the Church, and hence Scripture.

 

[Eileen_T]

You are wrong in your judgment of King Henry. First of all, his marriage took place under a dispensation because it was not justified by church teaching. Secondly, Pope Clement was under severe pressure by the emperor to deny Henry the annulment which was purely the politics of the Catholic church. As for the Anglican church, it was started by the coming back to the teachings of the early church and the Bible, the annulment issue was an event second in nature to the formation of the system of beliefs and worship which became our first Book of Common Prayer.

This should be discussed in a separate Thread. But look what the ex-Catholics did to the Church in England. They attacked it quite viciously.