Federal Funded Abortion

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I don’t know how many of you are aware of this since this seems to come across very subtle in the media, but it appears that the Health Care Reform Bill just passed by congress allows Federal funding for abortions.

It is not good for this law to be in existence for even one second in the world. God allows our existence through the merits of Jesus Christ our Savior but we must say yes to those graces in order to receive them. God does not force life on those who do not choose it. God allows our choices even if we reject him, we must accept the consequences of our choices.
 
I don’t know how many of you are aware of this since this seems to come across very subtle in the media, but it appears that the Health Care Reform Bill just passed by congress allows Federal funding for abortions.
Do you have specifics in the law? As huge as it is, I’ve heard the opposite sides on several contentious issues from groups opposed to and in favor of the bill. It’d be helpful to know how, where, when and why.
God does not force life on those who do not choose it. God allows our choices even if we reject him, we must accept the consequences of our choices.
That, my friend, would radically change the way so many people live as to make the world a much better place to be.

Sadly, I think there are few tangible consequences left for those who make this tragic decision.

What of sin?
Sin is all relative, do what thou wilt!
What of eternal consequence?
Bishop Spong says there is no eternal consequence - why worry?
What of the loss of life?
It’s your choice, not a child! It’s YOUR body, not the child’s body!
What of the shame I feel?
Have some prozac for that unfortunate biological response!
What of the way others look at me?
It’s wrong to discriminate against people who exercise their reproductive rights!
Why do my parents cry over the loss of a grandchild?
It was never a grandchild. They’re just old-fashioned and too conservative!
Why do so many people tell me it’s wrong to have an abortion?
They only want to control you. Listen to me instead!
Who are you?
… the one who tells you what you want to hear
Why?
You’re easier to control that way.
 
I don’t know how many of you are aware of this since this seems to come across very subtle in the media, but it appears that the Health Care Reform Bill just passed by congress allows Federal funding for abortions.

It is not good for this law to be in existence for even one second in the world. God allows our existence through the merits of Jesus Christ our Savior but we must say yes to those graces in order to receive them. God does not force life on those who do not choose it. God allows our choices even if we reject him, we must accept the consequences of our choices.
Yes, we are aware of that. Keep praying and working for life.
 
I don’t know the specifics of the law other than that it is very complicated. I only know from various sources about what the law says.
 
I don’t think that most Americans are aware of just how many hidden agendas were in this bill, including all of the so called Catholics who are proudly standing behind this big pile of immoral garbage that Obama calls a bill, and still follow this false prophet blindly, because he can do no wrong in their eyes. Our tax dollars now go for the killing of the most innocent of lives, a baby in its own mothers womb. It is now law that a doctor, no matter what his/her moral beliefs may be, has to perform an abortion, or they will lose their job. Our tax dollars now go towards sex education for ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN, which was made legal & mandatory by this bill. Obama now owns the health care system, the American automobile industry, and most of the banks in America, whats next? I will post a video for you all to watch at the bottom of this screen that is from retired Cardinal Arinze, who was a representative for the Vatican. Its a message to all of the people who call themselves Catholic, but voted for Obama anyway and still follow this false prophet blindly. Its a short video, but right to the point. It is also very funny, but very truthful at the same time. This man doesn’t have a problem with speaking whats on his mind, I love it!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv3MRyKfEHA
 
President Obama signed an executive order to assure that no federal funding would go to abortions.

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A nun said she would compromise when it came to her preferences but not her principles. She with the Catholic Hospital Association threw their support behind health care reform.

Even if there is some federal funding of abortion one day, Christians should respect the rule of law. The Christ of faith confirmed the legitimacy of the very government that executed him. The Roman government murdered, pillaged and raped. Yet Christ said we are to pay taxes to such a government. Surely the American government is at least as legitimate, surely more.

There is a conscience exemption for taxes that uses the same kind of feared mechanism as in the health care reform bill, except it deals with funding the military, not abortions. Anti-choice citizens should not get more special rights than pacifist citizens when it comes to govt funding and taxes.
 
President Obama signed an executive order to assure that no federal funding would go to abortions.

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This is rather disingenuous. As the bishops pointed out, the presidential order changes nothing.

Here is how the bill is supposed to work.
  1. The Federal Government can mandate that all but one (in all likelihood, most) of the federally subsidized plans cover abortions.
  2. The Federal Government will subsidize those plans with tax payer money.
  3. Following the Government’s rules, everyone who subscribes to these plans will be required to pay an extra fee for abortion. Yes, even elderly bachelors will pay the fee.
  4. The moneys will go into two separate accounts. The abortion fund will only cover abortions. The other fund, which covers everything else, will be government subsidized. However, because the government is subsidizing these plans the government can make abortions much cheaper and more widely available without directly providing the dollars that pay for them.
Think of it this way. I am an alcoholic. You don’t want me to spend your money on alcohol, but you want to donate 20$ to me. I have $100 in my wallet and normally spend $100 a week on food and $20 a week on alcohol. Because you gave me $20 I can use your $20 and $80 from my wallet to buy $100 worth of food. But you have allowed me to save my own $20 for alcohol. So, no, you didn’t pay for my alcohol, but you clearly made it possible. 😉

Thus in a very technical sense the government is not using your tax dollars to fund abortion. Instead the government is providing your money to the plan, which allows the insurance company to charge less for their abortion coverage. Once the money is technically in the bank, whose dollar is whose is a bit of a silly point.

The reality is the government will be requiring that abortions be paid for by insurance companies and the government will be making that coverage much cheaper by using your tax dollars to subsidize those plans so that they can include abortion. Technically, your tax dollars are not paying for abortions, but they are enabling and requiring insurance companies to provide for a massive expansion of the availability of abortion service.

If this were a serious restriction, the NOW crowd would be upset and the bishops would be happy. In reality the NOW Congresswomen say it doesn’t matter and the bishops are upset. :mad: Call it what you like your tax dollars are being used to increase access to abortion.
 
I don’t know how many of you are aware of this since this seems to come across very subtle in the media, but it appears that the Health Care Reform Bill just passed by congress allows Federal funding for abortions.
The Hyde Amendment is the part of the law that prohibits funding for abortions (sort of). To my knowledge, it is the only law that does so.

The Hyde Amendment is verbiage that is included in each year’s appropriation bill that provides funding to the Department of Health and Human Services. As such, it must be included in each year’s law, otherwise it expires each year. This year, the language appears in HR 3288, the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2010. The verbiage this year appears in Sections 507-509 of that Act. Because of space limitations on my post, I will only paste in 507…you can go to the link above to see the rest.
  • Sec. 507. (a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion.
  • (b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion.
  • (c) The term `health benefits coverage’ means the package of services covered by a managed care provider or organization pursuant to a contract or other arrangement.
Simple translation: this covers money that is budgeted for the government under the consolidated appropriations act of 2010. It says none of that money may be used for abortion. It doesn’t cover anything else (such as federal employee health insurance)

Obamacare, signed into law Tuesday, is defined in HR 3590,

Abortion coverage is discussed in Section 1303. There are two cases, one covers abortions that are not allowed by federal law and one covers cases where they are.
  • (i) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS PROHIBITED- The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is not permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.
  • (ii) ABORTIONS FOR WHICH PUBLIC FUNDING IS ALLOWED- The services described in this clause are abortions for which the expenditure of Federal funds appropriated for the Department of Health and Human Services is permitted, based on the law as in effect as of the date that is 6 months before the beginning of the plan year involved.
It goes on to prohibit use of federal funds for abortion…if public funding is prohibited per (i), above:
  • (A) IN GENERAL- If a qualified health plan provides coverage of services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i), the issuer of the plan shall not use any amount attributable to any of the following for purposes of paying for such services:
  • (i) The credit under section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (and the amount (if any) of the advance payment of the credit under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act).
  • (ii) Any cost-sharing reduction under section 1402 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (and the amount (if any) of the advance payment of the reduction under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act).
  • (B) SEGREGATION OF FUNDS- In the case of a plan to which subparagraph (A) applies, the issuer of the plan shall, out of amounts not described in subparagraph (A), segregate an amount equal to the actuarial amounts determined under subparagraph (C) for all enrollees from the amounts described in subparagraph (A).
  • (C) ACTUARIAL VALUE OF OPTIONAL SERVICE COVERAGE-
  • (i) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall estimate the basic per enrollee, per month cost, determined on an average actuarial basis, for including coverage under a qualified health plan of the services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i).
  • (ii) CONSIDERATIONS- In making such estimate, the Secretary–
  • (I) may take into account the impact on overall costs of the inclusion of such coverage, but may not take into account any cost reduction estimated to result from such services, including prenatal care, delivery, or postnatal care;
  • (II) shall estimate such costs as if such coverage were included for the entire population covered; and
  • (III) may not estimate such a cost at less than $1 per enrollee, per month.
Basically, what the above says is that *if *the Hyde Amendment is included in the annual HHS budget, the insurer will segregate out an amount from the premium contributions from the insured, the costs to provide abortion coverage so that the federal affordability credits won’t be used (hello???)

(to be cont’d)
 
However, and this is important, if the Hyde Amendment is not included in some year’s appropriations bill, all abortions will be covered and this segregation stuff goes out the window.

Please note that this is distinctly different than how the Hyde Amendment has been applied in the past: in the past, it applied to Medicaid. Medicaid was 100% funded by the government, so if there was a prohibition to use the money for abortion, abortions wouldn’t get paid for. In this case, they’ll just use the private premiums to pay for the abortions and the federal money will make up the difference for other services covered.

(in my book, if you put $7 into the kitty and the government puts in $3, you have $10 to spend. If the government says you can’t spend their part on something, but it’s OK to spend your part, you’re still spending all $10)

Now, the Executive Order is here.

An executive order cannot overrule federal law. An executive order can only direct offices within the executive branch to do something (or not do something) that is not explicitly called out in the law.

Therefore, most of the verbiage in this EO are meaningless.

Basically, the only thing that this bill does is in this paragraph:

Sec. 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges.
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I hereby direct the Director of the OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this order, a model set of segregation guidelines for State health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that States should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of the OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to State health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.
Sec. 3. Community Health Center Program.
…I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.
So, in other words, he did an executive order to direct the executive branch to comply with and implement the law. There is NOTHING, repeat NOTHING in the EO that directs any stricter abortion restrictions than already exists in the law he just signed.

Don’t read about it. Read it for yourself. The links are above.
 
Its a message to all of the people who call themselves Catholic, but voted for Obama anyway and still follow this false prophet blindly.
I have debated extensively on other forums before the election, these so called Catholics are so blind. They argue that abortion is only one of many issues and how Obama could help them on social issues. But at what cost? The murder of millions of innocent babies. A price that is too high to pay. Blood money. And for what, to force others to pay for their healthcare?
 
I have debated extensively on other forums before the election, these so called Catholics are so blind. They argue that abortion is only one of many issues and how Obama could help them on social issues. But at what cost? The murder of millions of innocent babies. A price that is too high to pay. Blood money. And for what, to force others to pay for their healthcare?
My blood pressure goes up when I hear that kind of thing. “Gee, I’d like to vote for ____. He is SO GOOD on all the social issues. It’s just a shame that he is against abortion.”

Read the writings of the Popes. They aren’t good on any of the issues!!!

There is something called subsidiarity. None of these big government types even ever consider that.

Experience shows that the denial of subsidiarity, or its limitation in the name of an alleged democratization or equality of all members of society, limits and sometimes even destroys the spirit of freedom and initiative. (para 187)

Solidarity without subsidiarity, in fact, can easily degenerate into a “Welfare State”, while subsidiarity without solidarity runs the risk of encouraging forms of self-centred localism. (351)

From the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church
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My blood pressure goes up when I hear that kind of thing. “Gee, I’d like to vote for ____. He is SO GOOD on all the social issues. It’s just a shame that he is against abortion.”

Read the writings of the Popes. They aren’t good on any of the issues!!!

There is something called subsidiarity. None of these big government types even ever consider that.

Experience shows that the denial of subsidiarity, or its limitation in the name of an alleged democratization or equality of all members of society, limits and sometimes even destroys the spirit of freedom and initiative. (para 187)

Solidarity without subsidiarity, in fact, can easily degenerate into a “Welfare State”, while subsidiarity without solidarity runs the risk of encouraging forms of self-centred localism. (351)

From the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church
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Some Roman Catholics are so blinded by the candy promised by Pro-Death Candidates, that they disregard their morals, the 50 million little lives become ignored. Their right to live is bargained away for a few shallow promises, like ending the war.

People have difficulty grasping the numbers. 50 million minutes ago it was 1912, the year the Titanic sank. There were a little over 4,000 deaths in the war, 4,000 minutes was only two days ago. The war is like a bucket of water in the ocean as compared to abortion.

And do these people really help anyone? What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common? Democrat leadership

usccb.org/cchd/povertyusa/povfact6.shtml

The top ten Cities with the highest poverty rate according to the U.S. Census Bureau:

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961; (And the current Mayor just went to Jail)
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)…since 1984
Cleveland, OH (4th)…since 1989
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor
St. Louis, MO (6th)…since 1949
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor
Milwaukee, WI (8th)…since 1908
Philadelphia, PA (9th)…since 1952
Newark, NJ (10th)…since 1907

God help us!
 
Great First Things Article…
The bill will fund and subsidize abortion in about 9 or 10 Ways.
  1. It directly funds community health care centers, of which Planned Parenthood would be a beneficiary**. $11 billion has been set aside for community health care centers with no restrictions to prevent abortion coverage**. Abortion advocates are already discussing how these centers can use these funds to pay for abortion and are campaigning for these centers to perform abortions.
  1. The Reid bill subsidizes health care plans which cover abortion. These plans will cover tens of millions of people.
  1. Massive pools of money are appropriated with no abortion restrictions. National Right to Life notes that “The Senate bill contains additional pools of directly appropriated funds that are not covered by any limitations regarding abortion, including** $5 billion for a temporary high-risk health insurance pool program** (Sec. 1101 on pages 45-52) and $6 billion in grants for health co-ops (Sec. 1322, pp. 169-180).”
 
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