Feeding of the 5,000

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This was one of the caring and sharing rubbish of the sixties.
Actually, it comes from Bultmann (and other liberal Protestant theologians of the late 19th and early 20th centuries) and his notion of “de-mythologizing” the New Testament. The ‘caring and sharing’ crowd of the 60’s simply co-opted his thought in the context of this miracle… 😉
 
Please let’s stop putting down old priests.
I’m not “putting down old priests”; however, there’s an accurate observation to be made here – there’s a particular time-frame in the 20th century in which this kind of Scriptural interpretation was taught in seminaries. (Hint: it wasn’t in the last 25 years. 😉 )

Not all priests who were taught the ‘sharing’ interpretation swallowed it wholesale. So, it’s not the case that all ‘old priests’ are suspect. Neither is it fair to suggest that recognizing the dynamic I mentioned is intended to “put down” a generation of priests. 🤷
 
I was always thought it was a miracle thankfully. The Church needs to stop watering down what it believes.
 
I was always thought it was a miracle thankfully. The Church needs to stop watering down what it believes.
The Church believes it was a miracle, too; don’t worry, the Church isn’t watering down its teachings… 😉
 
My wife and I attended the St. Louis Cathedral, in New Orleans, LA, on Sunday, August 3rd, 2014. The priest giving the homily downplayed the feeding of the 5,000 as mererly a human sharing event and not a true miracle. The priest stated that that the people shared the food they had hidden in their tunic that was initiated from the giving of the 5 loaves and 2 fish. This is contrary to the Scripture and feel that this is quite dangerous to downplay this miracle. He stated, the giving and sharing of the people were the way the 5,000 were fed. Think about the number of non-catholics, people not firm in their faith, and the tourists coming to see what the Church is about and this watered down message is given. My wife asked me during the mass, about the homily. This is a sugar coated story that appeals to many that are of this world and do not believe in miracles. Thoughts?
The Church teaches that this was fully a miracle. This priest is out of line with Church teaching. I might go so far as to reach out to the bishop about this homily.

I am praying for this priest right now.

Peace in Christ
 
Actually, it comes from Bultmann (and other liberal Protestant theologians of the late 19th and early 20th centuries) and his notion of “de-mythologizing” the New Testament. The ‘caring and sharing’ crowd of the 60’s simply co-opted his thought in the context of this miracle… 😉
I thought it came from the Hebrew Scriptures.
 
I thought it came from the Hebrew Scriptures.
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I’m not quite certain what you mean. The notion that the miracles of Jesus, including the feeding of the 5000, was not really a miraculous event but rather, was a natural event that was misunderstood or mis-reported by Apostles and others, is a notion that was developed by some Protestant theologians in the 19th/20th century. How could that notion – a reaction to a NT miracle – have come from Hebrew Scriptures? I’m confused… 😉
 
Hmmm - the same Jews that were behind Christ’s crucifixion would admit Jesus really did perform miracles? :whacky: :hmmm:
 
:confused:

I’m not quite certain what you mean. The notion that the miracles of Jesus, including the feeding of the 5000, was not really a miraculous event but rather, was a natural event that was misunderstood or mis-reported by Apostles and others, is a notion that was developed by some Protestant theologians in the 19th/20th century. How could that notion – a reaction to a NT miracle – have come from Hebrew Scriptures? I’m confused… 😉
I was referring to post #13, from what Timothy H said.
 
In the brief article that started this thread, it says that the story teaches us about sharing, among other things, I wonder if Pope Francis thinks Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish or everybody shared what they had?🤷
 
In the brief article that started this thread, it says that the story teaches us about sharing, among other things, I wonder if he thinks Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish or everybody shared what they had?🤷
Just a few years ago, a newly ordained deacon stated “it is absurd to think people would have left their homes without food. Jesus showed them how to share”.
 
Just a few years ago, a newly ordained deacon stated “it is absurd to think people would have left their homes without food. Jesus showed them how to share”.
It makes sense too, no ?
 
I thought you were going to say you are from St. Louis, Mo. I,went to another church, not my own and he did the same thing!
The Cathedral is the seat of the bishop. I cannot imagine teaching such heresy in the seat of the bishop. Would never happen here in St. Louis!
 
Just a few years ago, a newly ordained deacon stated “it is absurd to think people would have left their homes without food. Jesus showed them how to share”.
When I’m leaving the house I don’t usually have food on my. I can’t really remember the story though so I don’t know how they all ended up starving and there may have been a reason for them to bring food. I just remember being told about the miracle.
 
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Just a few years ago, a newly ordained deacon stated “it is absurd to think people would have left their homes without food. Jesus showed them how to share”.
It makes sense too, no ?
No. Because if everyone had food there would be no need to share.
 
Not everybody wouldve had food to share, just many with enough to feed everyone.
This just doesn’t make sense in conjunction with the account given. The Apostles suggested dispersing the crowd so that they could go into town and buy food, which suggests that that is what they thought the majority of the people would have to do. If only a relatively few people needed food, then a much more sensible suggestion would be “let’s break for dinner” - at which point the majority that had food would eat (after which point teaching could resume) and those without would go get some, possibly missing out a little.

And what about the eating their fill and having 12 baskets of leftovers? Why would so many people carry so much more than they could eat, if they weren’t planning on sharing it? And if they were planning on sharing it, then this would be a normal occurrence hardly worthy of mentioning at all.

In fact, it’d be hardly worthy of mentioning even if they did for reasons unknown have lots of extra food. Imagine writing a Gospel, showing how great Jesus is - “He said many wise things. He raised the dead. Healed the blind, made the lame walk. Cast out demons. Cured leprosy. Converted corrupt tax gatherers, prostitutes, and occupying Roman soldiers. Also, He once convinced some people to share their food. Nothing drastic, mind you, a couple people forgot to bring a lunch, and a couple others brought more than they could eat, so, by His Divine Influence, He convinced them to hand over their extra half sandwich to those who might have been mildly uncomfortable for a few minutes otherwise.” I mean, what would be the point of even mentioning that, especially since the Gospels say they didn’t have room for many signs and wonders that He preformed?
 
This just doesn’t make sense in conjunction with the account given. The Apostles suggested dispersing the crowd so that they could go into town and buy food, which suggests that that is what they thought the majority of the people would have to do. If only a relatively few people needed food, then a much more sensible suggestion would be “let’s break for dinner” - at which point the majority that had food would eat (after which point teaching could resume) and those without would go get some, possibly missing out a little.

And what about the eating their fill and having 12 baskets of leftovers? Why would so many people carry so much more than they could eat, if they weren’t planning on sharing it? And if they were planning on sharing it, then this would be a normal occurrence hardly worthy of mentioning at all.

In fact, it’d be hardly worthy of mentioning even if they did for reasons unknown have lots of extra food. Imagine writing a Gospel, showing how great Jesus is - “He said many wise things. He raised the dead. Healed the blind, made the lame walk. Cast out demons. Cured leprosy. Converted corrupt tax gatherers, prostitutes, and occupying Roman soldiers. Also, He once convinced some people to share their food. Nothing drastic, mind you, a couple people forgot to bring a lunch, and a couple others brought more than they could eat, so, by His Divine Influence, He convinced them to hand over their extra half sandwich to those who might have been mildly uncomfortable for a few minutes otherwise.” I mean, what would be the point of even mentioning that, especially since the Gospels say they didn’t have room for many signs and wonders that He preformed?
Based on what Timothy H said, the fact that they ate their fill and had leftovers happened already so if these stories are connected, why not again?

Unless I’m misunderstanding what that other poster meant.
 
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