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If blue is not the offical liturgical color of Advent, then why do companies make blue liturgical vestments and candles for the Advent wreath?

Luckily at my church the priests wear violet; but our parochial vicar said that back durring Vatican II it was considered to change the color of Advent to blue, in order to distinguish it from Lent. Advent is a minor pentitential season, it is more of a season of prepartion. Lent is the major penitential season. Does anyone know if this was true, that the color of Advent was almost changed? Even if this is true, the change did not happen, the color of Advent remains the same.
 
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If blue is not the offical liturgical color of Advent, then why do companies make blue liturgical vestments and candles for the Advent wreath?

Luckily at my church the priests wear violet; but our parochial vicar said that back durring Vatican II it was considered to change the color of Advent to blue, in order to distinguish it from Lent. Advent is a minor pentitential season, it is more of a season of prepartion. Lent is the major penitential season. Does anyone know if this was true, that the color of Advent was almost changed? Even if this is true, the change did not happen, the color of Advent remains the same.
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Because liturgical companies make vestments for liturgical Christian communities other than the Catholic Church.

The color of Advent is a different shade the Lent, but NOT blue even dark blue!

It was pointed out to me once that violet and purple are two different colors. Which explains the difference in shades.
 
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Because liturgical companies make vestments for liturgical Christian communities other than the Catholic Church.

The color of Advent is a different shade the Lent, but NOT blue even dark blue!

It was pointed out to me once that violet and purple are two different colors. Which explains the difference in shades.
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Actually, the color for Advent is NOT a different shade from that for Lent - they are both Violet (which is just a shade of purple).

See the Catholic Liturgy Site - catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/LawText/Index/6/SubIndex/96/LawIndex/3

Colors, Liturgical
http://www.catholicliturgy.com/images/q.gif Can blue replace violet as the liturgical color during Advent?

http://www.catholicliturgy.com/images/a.gif Blue is not a normal liturgical color and has only been given special use in Mexico for Marian feasts and is also frequently used in conjunction with white on Marian feast days elsewhere. Advent is a season of penance, meant to prepare the faithful for the coming of Christ. There is not any document allowing for the replacement of violet with blue during Advent.

According to the General Instruction of the Roman Missal:

"Traditional usage should be retained for the vestment colors.

a.White is used in the offices and Masses of the Easter and Christmas seasons; on feasts and memorials of the Lord, other than of his passion; on feasts and memorials of Mary, the angels, saints who were not martyrs, All Saints (1 November), John the Baptist (24 June), John the Evangelist (27 December), the Chair of St. Peter (22 February), and the Conversion of St. Paul (25 January).

b.Red is used on Passion Sunday (Palm Sunday) and Good Friday, Pentecost, celebrations of the Lord’s passion, birthday feasts of the apostles and evangelists, and celebrations of martyrs.

c.Green is used in the offices and Masses of Ordinary Time.

d.Violet is used in Lent and Advent. It may also be worn in offices and Mass for the dead.

e.Black may be used in Masses for the dead.

f.Rose may be used on Gaudete Sunday (Third Sunday of Advent) and Laetare Sunday (Fourth Sunday of Lent).

The conference of bishops may choose and propose to the Apostolic See adaptations suited to the needs and cultures of peoples."–n. 308

(Emphasis added).
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Because liturgical companies make vestments for liturgical Christian communities other than the Catholic Church.

The color of Advent is a different shade the Lent, but NOT blue even dark blue!

It was pointed out to me once that violet and purple are two different colors. Which explains the difference in shades.
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Maybe I should have said:

“The color used for Advent could be a different shade of purple then that of Lent, but NOT blue even dark blue!”
 
I thought something was amiss at Mass yesterday!

In addition to the resurrected Jesus “crucifix”, horrid music, pouring the Precious Blood into glass “chalices” after the Consecration, omission of certain texts, children swarming around the sanctuary and altar as they brought up gifts during the Offertory, and singing “Happy Birthday” before the dismissal, the priest celebrant was wearing blue vestments!

I just knew something was out of place. Thank you for confirming my suspicions! :crying:
 
Psalm45:9:
If blue is not the offical liturgical color of Advent, then why do companies make blue liturgical vestments and candles for the Advent wreath?
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I belive blue was the colour used in some medieval rites (Sarum for example and York also I think) for Advent. I think the use of blue in modern times has its roots in the anglo-catholic movement. Some Anglo-Catholics followed the liturgical colours and ceremonial of Rome while others revived medieval usages like Sarum, Westminister, York, etc. each with their own sets of colours for Advent such as black/grey and blue. Liturgists have now latched on to those combinations to fit in with what they believe the season to represent. So violent=penitence=lent and is, according to some, not suitable for Advent. Since companies supplying vestments also cater to them, blue is included and so I suppose, is adopted by many Catholics as well.
 
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If blue is not the offical liturgical color of Advent, then why do companies make blue liturgical vestments and candles for the Advent wreath?
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To make money??
 
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msproule:
I thought something was amiss at Mass yesterday!

In addition to the resurrected Jesus “crucifix”, horrid music, pouring the Precious Blood into glass “chalices” after the Consecration, omission of certain texts, children swarming around the sanctuary and altar as they brought up gifts during the Offertory, and singing “Happy Birthday” before the dismissal, the priest celebrant was wearing blue vestments!

I just knew something was out of place. Thank you for confirming my suspicions! :crying:
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I HOPE YOU’RE NOT BEING SERIOUS!!! :bigyikes: :banghead: :crying:
 
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msproule:
I thought something was amiss at Mass yesterday!

In addition to the resurrected Jesus “crucifix”, horrid music, pouring the Precious Blood into glass “chalices” after the Consecration, omission of certain texts, children swarming around the sanctuary and altar as they brought up gifts during the Offertory, and singing “Happy Birthday” before the dismissal, the priest celebrant was wearing blue vestments!

I just knew something was out of place. Thank you for confirming my suspicions! :crying:
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Oh dear. Unfortunately, I can sympathize with you on some of those… 😦
 
Br. Rich SFO:
Maybe I should have said:

“The color used for Advent could be a different shade of purple then that of Lent, but NOT blue even dark blue!”
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This is interesting. I got an earful from my teacher today about how blue is also an official color of the Church for Advent.

It felt wrong, and apparently it is wrong.

Joan’s link references the GIRM, do you know where exactly these regulations are, and if it is possible that any latititude can be taken? I’d be interested in talking to my teacher about this, but I’m not at all knowledgable about this area.

Apparently it says so in the religion textbook the freshman in our school use. :eek:
 
Psalm45:9:
I HOPE YOU’RE NOT BEING SERIOUS!!! :bigyikes: :banghead: :crying:
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Sadly, I make no exaggerations here. This is a true story.
 
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msproule:
It is (in Spain, for example), but not in the U.S. This question was answered in the Ask An Apologist Forum.
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Very cool, msproule. Thanks.

I have a funny feeling that my teacher isn’t going to care much.

Our textbooks are so horrible. I have a feeling that I could rip them apart word by word, practically. My sophomore year book claimed that the Church is heirarchical because the Roman Empire was heirarchical!!!
 
Thanks everyone for the responses! One other thing that ticks me off is when priests do not wear Rose colored vestments on Gaudate Sunday. I remember on EWTN last Gaudate Sunday Father Francis Mary said it looked too much like Pink to him and so he didn’t wear it. Come on, it’s only two days out of the year, the church permits this color for a reason. I always make sure I wear a Rose colored tie on Gaudate and Latare Sundays.
 
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msproule:
It is (in Spain, for example), but not in the U.S. This question was answered in the Ask An Apologist Forum.
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How would we know if it was allowed in Canada? An assistant priest at our church said that his order does it because of honouring Mary. In fact, I find that a lot of times the priests in this area (who are very non-traditional) will use the excuse that “we can do many different liturgical things because the CCCB has allowed us”. As a side note: I have nothing against Americans but it is frustrating to see many posts with reference to U.S. information. It makes it hard to document abuses in our country. Would be nice if there was a Catholic Answers Forum for Canadians or something like that. (My gripe for the day )

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moedom:
How would we know if it was allowed in Canada? An assistant priest at our church said that his order does it because of honouring Mary. In fact, I find that a lot of times the priests in this area (who are very non-traditional) will use the excuse that “we can do many different liturgical things because the CCCB has allowed us”.
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As far as I can tell, the Archdiocese of Moncton (NB) does not have a website of its own, other than this one on the CCCB site. My only advice would be to contact the Liturgy Office using the phone number or e-mail provided. However, I did find that the Diocese of Edmundston has a thorough website that includes a special Advent page. Click on the “Details” link at the top of that page and you will find that the proper vestment color for Advent is violet.
As a side note: I have nothing against Americans but it is frustrating to see many posts with reference to U.S. information. It makes it hard to document abuses in our country. Would be nice if there was a Catholic Answers Forum for Canadians or something like that. (My gripe for the day )
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I understand your frustration. I am not in Canada but I am very close (Detroit) and know a couple of Ontario Basilians. Unlike the USCCB website, the CCCB site has very little free information. Most liturgical guides must be paid for. It is no wonder there are so many abuses and so little recourse!
 
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Thanks everyone for the responses! One other thing that ticks me off is when priests do not wear Rose colored vestments on Gaudate Sunday. I remember on EWTN last Gaudate Sunday Father Francis Mary said it looked too much like Pink to him and so he didn’t wear it. Come on, it’s only two days out of the year, the church permits this color for a reason. I always make sure I wear a Rose colored tie on Gaudate and Latare Sundays.
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A guy named Mary has no business sneering at pink vestments. :nope:
 
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msproule:
I understand your frustration. I am not in Canada but I am very close (Detroit) and know a couple of Ontario Basilians. Unlike the USCCB website, the CCCB site has very little free information. Most liturgical guides must be paid for. It is no wonder there are so many abuses and so little recourse!

That is so true:yup: , thanks for the info.
 
I believe blue is also the liturgical color for advent favored by the Lutheran Church. Lutherans

I was speaking with a group of singers of Catholic, Lutheran, and Episcopalian backgrounds and somehow the subject of advent came up in conversation. One of the gentlemen who I believe was Lutheran, was astonished to learn that Catholics consider violet to be the liturgical color for both lent and advent.
 
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