Feeling guilty about dating two girls

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I’m feeling guilty about seeing two girls at the same time. One girl I’ve kissed and have met her family/friends. The other girl I have a date with in a few days, but I’ve known her for longer. However, exclusivity has not been brought up by me or by either girl. As a Catholic, at which point is the line crossed in dating multiple people? I get the impression that both likely think this is exclusive, though I could be wrong. I apologize that I can’t really go into too much details, lest they read these forums. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
 
You don’t have to assume they think it is exclusive, or that they don’t. If you haven’t implied to them you want to be exclusive and they haven’t told you that they believe your relationship to be exclusive, you have not betrayed their trust.

Since you are sensing what you are sensing, however, it might be prudent to tell them that although you like them very much, you feel as if the relationship is progressing fairly rapidly, which is a problem because you do not think you are quite ready to be exclusive. Then discuss that. Who knows, one or both of them may be relieved to know you are not to that point yet. In any case, if they don’t want to hear from you until you are ready for an exclusive courtship, at least you’ll know you are being above-board.

If one asks, “Have you been dating anyone else since you started seeing me?” the answer is “yes, I’ve been out on dates other than with you”. If she asks for more information, however, you may demur, saying “I don’t fill anyone else in on you about our dates or anything else personal about you, and I give the same courtesy to anyone else I might date. I haven’t avoided dating anyone else, though, because we have no understanding yet. That’s why I brought this up, because we are seeing a lot of each other. I thought we each needed to speak up about what we expect, and then go from there.”

First, though, think through what your feelings and intentions are towards each girl before you have this conversation. Don’t fill it with a lot of "uh"s and "dunno"s. Rather, be able to say, “I’m not ready to be exclusive with anyone, period” or “I wasn’t looking to be exclusive with anyone, but I didn’t expect to meet you” or “If you want to be exclusive, then I think I’d be exclusive, but if you want to wait, I’d be willing to wait”. Whatever. Just know what you think and be ready to say, “before we started talking, I thought A, but since hearing what you have to say, I think B (or I think maybe B, or whatever).”

You may keep your cards close to your chest, but: You. May. Not. Tell. Any. Lover’s. Lies. No half-truths. No leading on. Do yourself a favor, too, and do not allow yourself to be put into a corner. The answer to “is there someone else” is “this is about you and me…I am not ready to be exclusive. I realize that means you don’t have to be exclusive and I could lose you to some guy you meet tomorrow, but I have to be true to myself and allow you to do what I need to allow myself to do. If that is not OK, if I can only date you if I’m willing to be exclusive, then I’ll have to think hard about that, but I thought you ought to be able to tell me where you are and what you expect, too.” Do not, do not, do not ever talk to anyone you date about anyone else you’ve dated or are dating until you are ready to go through your final vetting as groom material. IOW, not until you’ve been exclusive for awhile. After all, do you want to go through her black book? Trust me, you don’t.

You can do this. If you are terrible at this kind of thing, role-play with somebody, even if it is the mirror. Good relationships are all about communication and integrity, though, and in romance it pays to think through what you want, so you’re not caught stammering like someone who has given no thought for his own future or for the other person’s feelings. It doesn’t require being an open book before the time has come, it just requires being open where she deserves openness.
 
Seeing 2 (or more) girls at the same time is not wrong. It becomes wrong when you lead both of them on thinking that the relationship is exclusive, which is where you are headed. I think you should take a step back and analyze your relationships. Which one do you feel is someone you’d like to discern marriage with? Remember, that’s the point of dating, to discern a possible marriage with someone. You need to really think about this and then you have the hard decision to make. And then unfortunately you need to close off communication with one of them.

Some questions to consider:

Is she a Godly person? Does she go to Mass often, not just on Sundays? Same with confession, does she go frequently?

What is her spiritual life like? Does she pray? Go to Adoration? Pray the Rosary?

Does she make me a better person and help me grow in holiness?

Do we get along? Does she handle conflict in a calm manner or does she fly off the handle?

Those are just some starter questions, but more are needed to be answered before you can come to a decision. Good luck to you 🙂
 
My understanding is that the idea of exclusivity prior to engagement is a relatively recent historical innovation, and one probably invented so that people could fornicate without fear of abandonment. (Did it work? No.)

So long as you’re not lying to either girl, not exploiting them, not taking advantage of them, etc., I don’t see a problem. Be forthright and honest about your intentions.
 
My understanding is that the idea of exclusivity prior to engagement is a relatively recent historical innovation, and one probably invented so that people could fornicate without fear of abandonment.
I think it was invented by 12 year old girls who allowed themselves the idea that they had fallen in love…that is, by those who wanted to lock in their future while they were still far too young to even consider engagement. Since the marriage age has continued to rise, it has only become more common.

As for “fornication without fear of abandonment”, I think that came into widespread acceptance with The Pill and that half an aisle now in every drugstore.
 
Some questions to consider:

Is she a Godly person? Does she go to Mass often, not just on Sundays? Same with confession, does she go frequently?

What is her spiritual life like? Does she pray? Go to Adoration? Pray the Rosary?

Does she make me a better person and help me grow in holiness?

Do we get along? Does she handle conflict in a calm manner or does she fly off the handle?

Those are just some starter questions, but more are needed to be answered before you can come to a decision. Good luck to you 🙂
They’re both practicing Catholics. And as far as I can tell, they’re both devout in their faith.
 
They’re both practicing Catholics. And as far as I can tell, they’re both devout in their faith.
Since you are sensing that they may think your relationship is exclusive, consider what you want for yourself, then talk to them. You do not have to divulge that there is someone else in particular, only that you are still dating other people–let’s face it, you could ask Girl #3 out tomorrow, if you wanted to–that you do not think you are ready to be exclusive, but that you want to talk about it with her.

You may find that one or both has no intention to ever have an exclusive relationship with you. You may want to ask to be told that, whenever it first becomes apparent to the girl.
 
OP, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with dating more than one person at a time. I’ve dated several people at once, but physical intimacy (a kiss) changes things IMO, and I felt that exclusivity was owed to the person I kissed, out of respect. I would hope the person I was seeing would feel the same because there’s just something offputting about getting ready for a date on Saturday and wondering where the other person’s mouth was on Friday night:eek::dts:.

That’s just me, though - I don’t present this as an official rule.

Good luck with your :juggle:! 🙂
 
While it may not be a sin what you’re doing, it’s still not very nice. I would pick whichever one you feel you are drawn too and let the other one loose. For her own sake. And if you can’t decide which one you like, then go with neither. Stay both their friends and maybe the answer will reveal itself. As others said, don’t lead these girls on. I’ve been in your shoes, I’ve done it way more times than I’m proud of. They deserve better from someone they like. (Not railin on ya, just sayin do whats right)
 
That’s just my opinion though. I admit I’m thinking about what’s good for the girls involved moreso than your own well being (which I apologize)
 
my take:
stay friends with both of them if you want to, but don’t kiss them. That is a serious event for a girl. Tell the one you kissed that you got carried away and didn’t mean to imply something so serious, and would like to step back a little and just be friends.
Dating is for getting to know people, have fun doing things with them, and finding out what kind of people you get along with. Much easier if no one gets their hopes of exclusivity up.
 
While it may not be a sin what you’re doing, it’s still not very nice. I would pick whichever one you feel you are drawn too and let the other one loose. For her own sake. And if you can’t decide which one you like, then go with neither. Stay both their friends and maybe the answer will reveal itself. As others said, don’t lead these girls on. I’ve been in your shoes, I’ve done it way more times than I’m proud of. They deserve better from someone they like. (Not railin on ya, just sayin do whats right)
I agree:
Case scenario, how would you feel if one of the girls you were dating right now was dating some other guy too. Do unto others as you would want done unto you.
 
OP, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with dating more than one person at a time. I’ve dated several people at once, but physical intimacy (a kiss) changes things IMO, and I felt that exclusivity was owed to the person I kissed, out of respect. I would hope the person I was seeing would feel the same because there’s just something offputting about getting ready for a date on Saturday and wondering where the other person’s mouth was on Friday night:eek::dts:.

That’s just me, though - I don’t present this as an official rule.

Good luck with your :juggle:! 🙂
I agree. Once you start kissing, and saying I love yous it changes the dynamics of the relationship whether you like it or not. After the dynamics change saying goodbye will always hurt. I recommend the OP to realize he has reached a Y, and he needs to choose left or right.
 
You don’t have to assume they think it is exclusive, or that they don’t. If you haven’t implied to them you want to be exclusive and they haven’t told you that they believe your relationship to be exclusive, you have not betrayed their trust.
I disagree. If you kiss with somebody, you imply a romantic relationship or the existence of mutual feelings. That’s something which can’t be “non-exclusive”. As a European, I’m very surprised by how much tolerance this whole “non-exclusive” things gets on the American ground, although I’ve heard that some parts of Europe see it in a similar light (obviously not including people who go ahead and do things that they consider to be against the rules but still do them, you’ll find that everywhere). I first encountered the phaenomenon several years ago, seven maybe, and I still can’t get out of the shell shock it gave me (even though it does convey a useful caveat against exaggerating the weight of particular relationships in one’s life). I can’t even fathom how somehow could “not assume exclusivity” when kissing is taking place (not talking about hands or cheeks, obviously). Going to places and talking, having coffee, watching films, eating meals etc. is generally nobody’s business as long as there’s not too much overt flirting. But kissing is a different matter.

For the record, you don’t owe a relationship because of a kiss. But you may owe a conversation. If both of you forget yourself and never talk about it again, don’t attempt to repeat it, don’t flirt, basically see yourself as just friends after it happened, then I guess there could be some silent understanding that things went too far in an isolated incident. But otherwise you need to clear things up. Not with compulsive honesty, being blunt and blurting things out but you may want to discuss the relationship(s) and the chances.

And while I can’t give you rock-hard proof on this, I believe it would be wrong to be in two kissing relationships at the same time.
 
I’ve got to say I disagree with the majority on this post

At what point is dating two people wrong… At the point you ask the second person on a date!

How can you properly get to know someone if you’re involved with two people after all double the women and they will get half your attention won’t they?

I’m new to Catholicism so correct me if I’m wrong but don’t you date someone to see if marriage could work between you? If so how does this double dating end… You marry both (which is obviously wrong/illegal) or you break a girls heart?

What do you think gods’ opinion is on being involved with two of his daughters is after all does the bible not teach two become one and NOT three become two that become one I can see this ending in someone getting hurt and I think you need to take responsibility and do what best for ALL of you not just what you want that may sound harsh but if you had a daughter and she started dating a guy who then broke up with her because he’d been dating someone else you wouldn’t think that guy had your daughters best intrests at heart would you
 
I disagree.
Okay, that was too strong an expression. Sorry for being so confrontational. It was before my first coffee but I know this isn’t a good excuse. Should’ve used a milder wording throughout, too.
 
Hey, Englishguy. I’d like to try and respond to your post or at least try.
At what point is dating two people wrong… At the point you ask the second person on a date!

How can you properly get to know someone if you’re involved with two people after all double the women and they will get half your attention won’t they?
That is an issue I have with dating or rather with the word “date” (on account of its implications of kissing in the moonlight and such stuff, as well as becoming boyfriend and girlfriend if things don’t go the wrong way within a short time-span). Just going out and having a coffee or film or dinner or a walk in the park with several different men or women is not wrong. At that stage you get to know them and you get to make your choice. It’s not that you should limit yourself to the first reasonably attractive or apparently compatible person (or both) that shows up on your path. But yes, there are constraints. There is a reason I don’t use the word ‘date’ unless maybe as a shorthand when I’m not delving into the ethical side of things.
I’m new to Catholicism so correct me if I’m wrong but don’t you date someone to see if marriage could work between you?
You do but that’s when you enter into some more decided, more advanced interactions. Not necessarily physically advanced, could also be emotionally close in a way that isn’t really the same as between a brother and sister. But at the point you’re still just talking to people, even though you have marriage as your ultimate goal in mind, you’re meeting people, choosing, selecting your material. You need this part.

On the other hand, I believe that when you move on to building a relationship or some form of “benefits” (that a “just friendship” would not confer), when you would swap Valentine’s cards and stroll the lover’s lane in the evening or hold hands and look into the stars or carve initials in the tree or whatever else loving doves do, with two or more different persons, then yeah, something’s wrong there.
If so how does this double dating end… You marry both (which is obviously wrong/illegal) or you break a girls heart?
You don’t necessarily break the other person’s heart but yes, I do believe that a simultaneous approach to checking people out (one that does not stop at conversations over coffee or otherwise, well, conversations) is not really a great expression of human dignity or respect.

When it evolves into having something like multiple (n) boyfriends or girlfriends until one chooses just one of them, then it’s basically building n-1 relationships that are from the very beginning meant to be temporary, to be disposed of at some point. I can’t fathom how people can think this is supposedly better than what they call “serial dating”. I believe “multiple dating” is worse than “serial dating”, at least when dating means some form of relationship.
What do you think gods’ opinion is on being involved with two of his daughters is after all does the bible not teach two become one and NOT three become two that become one I can see this ending in someone getting hurt and I think you need to take responsibility and do what best for ALL of you not just what you want that may sound harsh but if you had a daughter and she started dating a guy who then broke up with her because he’d been dating someone else you wouldn’t think that guy had your daughters best intrests at heart would you
If I were the father of a daughter, I wouldn’t exactly be thrilled to see her as the girlfriend of a guy who had some other girlfriend or girlfriends too. Obviously, a slip like the OP’s, where he wakes up and thinks, “I’m dating two girls, it seems. I need to do something about it,” is not the same thing.

For starters, it would be a good thing if the word “date” with all its implications disappeared from the asking out language if one intends to meet other people as well. I’d only use that word if the person were uniquely special to me in the romantic sense.

The above is connected with my belief that if a relationship needs to be formalised, categorised etc., it needs to be with one person. When it’s with more than one person, it should be discovering but not building or consuming. (And discovering does not include kissing. I’m not talking about mistakes here but about a general attitude.)
 
I don’t agree with it, i don’t think those that do think it’s ok haven’t thought deeply enough about it. Whenever one show’s interest in the opposite sex and goes out with them then they have already made their intention’s known, it is not simply a friendly gesture but one out of genuine interest to get to know them more and see how compatible they with each other. The problem with doing this with more than one person is that what happen’s when it come’s to choosing who you want to enter a relationship with? You have to choose thus you increase invoking jealousy, bitterness and lack of self worth by the person you have rejected over the other. Almost like they felt they were competing for you which is not what finding the right person is about.

Personally i feel if you are interested in someone then pursue only them, if it doesn’t work out find someone else
 
If you already feel its wrong… which it seems you do, then its wrong. Your conscience is telling you something. You need to listen to it and find out what is proper, right and Godly to do in your situation.

If you already kissed one of the ladies… then you have already made a move towards exclusivity to her.

Maybe you shouldn’t have kissed? I don’t know… but you need to look further into what YOU ARE DOING. *Edit: I think I read that in someone else’s post, and not the in OP’s. My mistake, but I still stand by what I mean.

Think about how you would feel if it were you in the other situation? If you were led on by some girl, then come find out that she is seeing 2 other guys besides you… how would you feel?

Just as aside, I really am displeased with multiple dating, unless it is made absolutely clear that it is just going out to get to know someone. (casual) Once a physical line is crossed (kissing, hugging, holding hands, or even declarations of love) then it is absolutely wrong to be seeing other people behind that person’s back. Those acts are declarations in themselves and should never be used as recreation or fun. If they are, you are playing with someone’s heart. And hearts are fragile- don’t care who you are or how tough you think you are… they are fragile.
 
Thank you for the replies so far. I know I may need to make a decision soon. It’s not an easy decision, though. No matter which one I choose, I will most likely end up hurting the other.
 
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