Feeling sad about abortion

[anon1234567]

Even though I believe it is wrong I still have doubts and have this insatiable need to prove to myself that it is wrong. It upsets me that pro-choicers always have an argument to come back at us with and I can’t be sure what I would do (god forbid) if I was raped.

i know I should pray for abortion to end and sort of leave it at that but I don’t want to just end up ignoring it

I don’t want to be too miserable but I just had to say how tragically ironic this is…
gosh.nhs.uk/teenagers/general-health-advice/puberty/girls-only-puberty-advice/abortion/

Just thought I’d tag on the end that I really hate how much division there is within the Church, it seems like we’re losing out to secularism and one day Traditional Catholic will mean to everyone that you follow Church teaching. Is it really true that God would never let the Church teach in error? has this completely been upheld throughout history?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Women who have gone through a rape and had an abortion say almost without exception that the abortion was WORSE by far, because they knew that they were killing another person by doing it. And an abortion cannot undo a rape, in fact, it is like being raped all over again. As horrible as rape is, abortion is not a solution in any way. Why would you kill a baby because someone else committed a crime?

That webpage really minimizes the effects of an abortion:

*You may feel mixed feelings and emotions after having an abortion ranging from great relief to feeling a little sad and down. But don’t worry this is totally natural. Sometimes it helps to talk to a counsellor about how you feel or a really good mate that you can trust. *

A LITTLE sad and down. How about regret for the REST OF YOUR LIFE…

 

[AthenaC]

So the studies about how women feel after abortion vs. miscarriage over time are interesting. After a miscarriage a woman feels a spike of sadness but then heals over time. After an abortion women generally feel relief (i.e. they feel better directly after an abortion than after a miscarriage) … but then over time the level of anxiety tends to rise to a certain level and never really goes away (i.e. over time they feel better after a miscarriage but never really heal after an abortion).

Also, I have seen the pro-choicers say things like “Your position is so ignorant. You’re just one unplanned pregnancy away from being pro-choice.”

Whenever I see that, I reply, “Know what’s ignorant? ‘You’re just one unplanned pregnancy away from being pro-choice.’ I was pro-life in high school, I was pro-life when I got pregnant at 20, I was pro-life when I got pregnant at 22, I was pro-life when I was working my a%% of through college as a single mom, and I’m STILL pro-life now that they’re 8 and 6. How ya like them apples? Thought so.”

I usually don’t get any replies after that.

 

[vera_dicere]

The rape excuse is nonsense really, 98% of abortions are for social reasons, that means the last 2% are for foetal defect, incest/rape, health of mother. That’s a very, VERY small number to defend abortion for.

If you get stuck, just say “well, fine, keep abortion for rape et al, but that’ll still ban 98% of abortions”.

Google Victims vs. Victors, interesting study about rape victims who were pregnant. In fact, I think its about less than one percent of rapes end in a pregnancy.

So again, tiny numbers being used to justify something monstrous.

 

[anon1234567]

Even though I believe it is wrong I still have doubts and have this insatiable need to prove to myself that it is wrong. It upsets me that pro-choicers always have an argument to come back at us with and I can’t be sure what I would do (god forbid) if I was raped.

i know I should pray for abortion to end and sort of leave it at that but I don’t want to just end up ignoring it

I don’t want to be too miserable but I just had to say how tragically ironic this is…
gosh.nhs.uk/teenagers/general-health-advice/puberty/girls-only-puberty-advice/abortion/

Just thought I’d tag on the end that I really hate how much division there is within the Church, it seems like we’re losing out to secularism and one day Traditional Catholic will mean to everyone that you follow Church teaching. Is it really true that God would never let the Church teach in error? has this completely been upheld throughout history?

I think I should have made myself a bit clearer- at the top of that website it says ‘the child first always’ and GOSH is a hospital specifically for children.

Women who have gone through a rape and had an abortion say almost without exception that the abortion was WORSE by far, because they knew that they were killing another person by doing it. And an abortion cannot undo a rape, in fact, it is like being raped all over again. As horrible as rape is, abortion is not a solution in any way. Why would you kill a baby because someone else committed a crime?

That webpage really minimizes the effects of an abortion:

*You may feel mixed feelings and emotions after having an abortion ranging from great relief to feeling a little sad and down. But don’t worry this is totally natural. Sometimes it helps to talk to a counsellor about how you feel or a really good mate that you can trust. *

A LITTLE sad and down. How about regret for the REST OF YOUR LIFE…

thanks

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-abortion_syndrome#U.K.Royal_College_of_Psychiatrists.282011.29

By the sound of things it is quite hard to use mental health as a reason why abortion is wrong. It sounds like most studies find there is no difference between those who carry the baby to term and those who abort but then a good argument is that means that the end result for you is the same either way but not aborting means that the baby lives so the net gain is greater.

So the studies about how women feel after abortion vs. miscarriage over time are interesting. After a miscarriage a woman feels a spike of sadness but then heals over time. After an abortion women generally feel relief (i.e. they feel better directly after an abortion than after a miscarriage) … but then over time the level of anxiety tends to rise to a certain level and never really goes away (i.e. over time they feel better after a miscarriage but never really heal after an abortion).

Also, I have seen the pro-choicers say things like “Your position is so ignorant. You’re just one unplanned pregnancy away from being pro-choice.”

Whenever I see that, I reply, “Know what’s ignorant? ‘You’re just one unplanned pregnancy away from being pro-choice.’ I was pro-life in high school, I was pro-life when I got pregnant at 20, I was pro-life when I got pregnant at 22, I was pro-life when I was working my a%% of through college as a single mom, and I’m STILL pro-life now that they’re 8 and 6. How ya like them apples? Thought so.”

I usually don’t get any replies after that.

That’s kind of funny you sound like a great mum (mom)

The rape excuse is nonsense really, 98% of abortions are for social reasons, that means the last 2% are for foetal defect, incest/rape, health of mother. That’s a very, VERY small number to defend abortion for.

If you get stuck, just say “well, fine, keep abortion for rape et al, but that’ll still ban 98% of abortions”.

Google Victims vs. Victors, interesting study about rape victims who were pregnant. In fact, I think its about less than one percent of rapes end in a pregnancy.

So again, tiny numbers being used to justify something monstrous.

thanks that is helpful his studies seem questionable though en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reardon#Peer-reviewed_studies

I guess the reason why people don’t tend to feel guilty after an abortion is because people are always told that the embryo/fetus is just a blob of tissue.

This is so not true but it doesn’t surprise me, it is in the Guardian guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/08/anti-choice-campaigners-abortion-science?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

For anti-choicers, the answer to the question of what women are “for” is rooted in the same old restrictive gender roles: women are for making babies, with some add-on features such as stove operation, male sexual release, and toilet cleaning. If a woman rejects baby-making, she’s ceased working as she was meant to, and is therefore broken. It’s like a car whose windows roll up and down and the stereo works, but the engine just won’t start. They need a way to describe their sense that a woman rejecting childbirth is broken, and the language of mental illness gives them an easy way to do this.

 

[anon1234567]

lastly, I didn’t ask about the infallibility of church teaching for no reason if you scroll down to Roman Catholic Church efc.org.uk/young_people/facts_about_abortion/religion.html

The Roman Catholic Church used to accept abortion up until ‘quickening’ - the moment at which movement is felt in the womb (normally around 16-20 weeks). It is only since 1869 that it has taught that sacred life begins at the moment of conception. Abortion is now prohibited under all circumstances and can be punished by exclusion from the church (excommunication).

It sounded funny so I looked it up and as you know that isn’t true
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=3362
catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=3362

I’ve been thinking of emailing this to them but I don’t think I am qualified to have a chat with them. if anyone else wants to…

How much of this do you think is actually true? lol
prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/anti-tales.shtml

 

[anon1234567]

I’ve had so many ‘coincidences’ recently about this issue its amazing

 

[anon1234567]

there are some people out there who wish there mum had aborted them:sad_yes:

 

[anon1234567]

firstthings.com/article/2009/02/what-jacques-barzun-believes-maybe-12

Many people have written insightfully about the linguistic contortions that necessarily follow when one buys into the mendacity of denying that abortion does what abortion does. But I had not come across this one before. It occurs in a special issue of the New York Times Magazine devoted to impending technological changes that will presumably change our lives. (The entire issue is reminiscent of the superficial futurism of the 1939 New York World’s Fair. Plus ça change . . .) The article is titled, “The Genetic Report Card That Will Tell You If Your Embryo Will Get Prostate Cancer.” Not “an embryo” but “your embryo.” Imagine your friend happily announcing, “Jim and I are having an embryo.” The “having” doesn’t quite work, since it is tilted toward the future, suggesting that the embryo might become something else—maybe a baby. She might try, “We have an embryo, and next month we’re expecting a fetus.” But that seems to fall somewhat short of doing justice to the element of continuity regarding the phenomenon in question. And the “we” is an egregious intrusion into a purely personal and private circumstance. In addition, the point of the “genetic report card” is that “your embryo” might get a failing grade and next month you will have nothing. The important thing is to keep attention focused on the “your,” as in your ingrown toenail, or your extra weight, or your whatever. It is a condition you picked up somewhere along the way and, if it turns out to be a problem, you get rid of it. In this case, the “it” is, in fact, a he or she. But that is the fact that must not be admitted. “Your embryo.” The trope requires painful twistings of both mind and language. “Oh, what a tangled web we weave / When first we practice to deceive.”

 

[anon1234567]

Yes and lots of women do! Abortion does not
affect fertility and women are often fully
fertile within just two weeks of having an
abortion. So it is essential to choose a
suitable form of contraception for immediate
use following abortion.

efc.org.uk/PDFs/Abortion-FAQs.pdf

I thought that website was meant to give the facts yet it doesn’t seem to give the complete truth.
nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1645.aspx?CategoryID=60&SubCategoryID=177

This is a good article too
spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10808/