Fellow traditionalists, who goes to Mass where?

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I don’t recall ever seeing a thread like this before, so I guess I’ll be the one to do it.

To those of you who call yourselves traditionalists, what type of TLM do you attend?

#1 – An FSSP, ICK, or other diocesan-approved Mass?
#2 – An SSPX Mass?
#3 – A Mass celebrated by an independent priest?

And let’s NOT turn this into a debate as to which is better. I’m just curious. As for me, I would say #1.

And the reason why I didn’t want to do this as a poll is that I like seeing exactly who would respond with which option(s).
 
#1 – An FSSP, ICK, or other diocesan-approved Mass.

We attend the Mass in Cincinnati Ohio at Sacred Heart Church in Camp Washington. It’s a beautiful old church.

James
 
I go to a chapel that is part of the Archdiocese of Newark for the celebration of the TLM. Our Pastor is from the Institute of Christ the King.
 
#1 – An FSSP, ICK, or other diocesan-approved Mass
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I go to a parish that is ran by the FSSP. A few months ago, it was only a chapel but now our Bishop in Sacramento has elevated it to parish status and one of the three priest there is now the Pastor. 🙂

www.sacfssp.com is the parish website if anyone would like to check it out.
 
#1–FSSP. The community is not of parochial status yet. Here’s a happy story though:

It seems that the Bishop had given permission for us to acquire a church & become a parish proper.

The chaplain found a nice previously Methodist or some such Gothic style building, and proposed it to the Bishop.

“No,” said the Bishop, “I will not allow you to buy it.
-----------It’s not big enough.” 👍 😃
 
#1 - FSSP. We are fortunate to have the TLM every day, twice a day, from two resident FSSP priests. As an aside, this area also has a SSPX mission and an independent sedevanctist church.
 
DavidJoseph said:
To those of you who call yourselves traditionalists, what type of TLM do you attend?

#1 – An FSSP, ICK, or other diocesan-approved Mass?
#2 – An SSPX Mass?
#3 – A Mass celebrated by an independent priest?
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Number one over here.

Usually ICK at St. Francis de Sales Oratory in St. Louis, see: institute-christ-king.org/stlouis2/.

Also have attended a local indult at Holy Family’s Log Cabin Church…though not recently. See: romeofthewest.com/2006/07/photos-of-holy-family-log-church-in.html

Both are great.

DustinsDad
 
You mean that since there apparently aren’t any approved TLMs near you, you attend Novus Ordo Masses? Or are you saying you don’t go to Mass period because of the lack of TLMs (approved or not)?
 
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You mean that since there apparently aren’t any approved TLMs near you, you attend Novus Ordo Masses? Or are you saying you don’t go to Mass period because of the lack of TLMs (approved or not)?
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I go to a Novus Ordo Mass in a quite liberal parish unfortunately. The closest TLM is two hours one-way. I would go to an “Indult”, ICKSP, FSSP, SSPX Mass if there was one close, but there is not as of yet. I’m going to a TLM this Saturday put together by the Una Voce Chapter here. Hopefully they will be able to get something established permanently in the Bimingham, AL area. The Diocese is decently large area-wise, and there is only one TLM a week.
 
That’s awesome about the TLM the Una Voce chapter is having!

As for the types of TLMs you’d attend if they were close, just so you know, I’d recommend all of those EXCEPT the SSPX. But if anyone takes exception and wants to discuss it, I’d ask that they kindly start a new thread for that purpose.

Ok … back to the topic at hand … sorry for my little hijack.
 
DavidJoseph said:
That’s awesome about the TLM the Una Voce chapter is having!

As for the types of TLMs you’d attend if they were close, just so you know, I’d recommend all of those EXCEPT the SSPX. But if anyone takes exception and wants to discuss it, I’d ask that they kindly start a new thread for that purpose.

Ok … back to the topic at hand … sorry for my little hijack.
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I know some people say “stay away from the SSPX” at all cost, but I am very sympathetic to them. We probably wouldn’t have the Motu Proprio, or many of the TLM Societys like the FSSP, ICRSS, without them. Plus the Holy See has said it is okay to assist at their Masses as long as one doesn’t embrace a schismatic and rebelious attitude toward the Pope. They are within the Church, and personally, I don’t see any problem with attending one of their parishes. If an SSPX Mass was the only TLM in the area, I would most definitely attend.
 
We probably wouldn’t have the Motu Proprio, or many of the TLM Societys like the FSSP, ICRSS, without them.
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All that means is that God brings good things out of bad things, namely, Archbishop Lefebvre’s disobedience and resulting schism on his part. It doesn’t mean that the SSPX is a good organization with which to get involved.
Plus the Holy See has said it is okay to assist at their Masses as long as one doesn’t embrace a schismatic and rebelious attitude toward the Pope. They are within the Church, and personally, I don’t see any problem with attending one of their parishes. If an SSPX Mass was the only TLM in the area, I would most definitely attend.
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That’s not what the Holy See says. But maybe you’ll say, “But what about Msgr. Perl’s letter?” I’m well aware of what he said in the letter; however, he was addressing a particular individual in a given situation (the specifics of which were never made public, AFAIK). He was telling this person (and nobody else) that he/she may attend SSPX Masses if he/she doesn’t imbibe a schismatic mentality; it wasn’t meant as a blanket permission for every Catholic to attend SSPX Masses whenever they please. This excerpt from another of Perl’s writings confirms this: “The Masses [the SSPX] celebrate are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit [morally illicit=sinful] for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2). **The fact of not being able to assist at the celebration of the so-called ‘Tridentine’ Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending such Masses” **(emphasis added).

The full letter can be found here: catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?id=3287&repos=1&subrepos=&searchid=106311

So you’d have to have a sufficient reason for assisting at an SSPX Mass. Even if they’re not schismatic, the priests are nevertheless suspended, and Catholics aren’t supposed to receive the sacraments from suspended priests (to do so is objectively sacrilegious) unless there’s a serious reason to do so. See this previous question I asked on the forums here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2583272#post2583272

Once again, I apologize for hijacking.
 
DavidJoseph said:
I’m well aware of what he said in the letter; however, he was addressing a particular individual in a given situation
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Well if it’s good enough for one Catholic, then why would it not be good enough for another Catholic who happens to find himself in a similiar situation? The SSPX are good Catholics. There have been arguments from both sides on whether or not one can assist at their Masses and remain in communion with Rome. Rome has clarified that they are not in formal schism, and until the Holy See clarifies that it is not okay to assist at their Masses, I see no problems in attending.
 
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Well if it’s good enough for one Catholic, then why would it not be good enough for another Catholic who happens to find himself in a similiar situation? The SSPX are good Catholics. There have been arguments from both sides on whether or not one can assist at their Masses and remain in communion with Rome. Rome has clarified that they are not in formal schism, and until the Holy See clarifies that it is not okay to assist at their Masses, I see no problems in attending.
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You don’t know what the situation was! Apparently it was an extreme case of some kind. Can you say that about your situation?

And the Holy See has indeed said it’s not ok to assist at their Masses except for extreme reasons. Read my above post in which I quoted Msgr. Perl’s letter, and view the link. Also, read the full text of Ecclesia Dei by Pope John Paul II. It says specifically that Catholics are urged NOT to support the SSPX in any way. Look it up.
 
DavidJoseph said:
You don’t know what the situation was! Apparently it was an extreme case of some kind. Can you say that about your situation?

And the Holy See has indeed said it’s not ok to assist at their Masses except for extreme reasons. Read my above post in which I quoted Msgr. Perl’s letter, and view the link. Also, read the full text of Ecclesia Dei by Pope John Paul II. It says specifically that Catholics are urged NOT to support the SSPX in any way. Look it up.
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I have read the entire story, that’s the thing. The situation has changed since Ecclsia Dei in 1988. I have seen many good canon lawyers, apologists, some in the Roman Curia, and just good all around Catholics in general that seem to think it’s okay to assist at SSPX Masses. As to the do not support the SSPX in any way, you better call the FSSP and tell them to quit selling Angelus Missals in their parishes.
 
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