Female altar servers at Latin Mass

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Leopard said:
That was exactly my point. If it is not a matter addressed by the Missal, other documents would regulate what persons could function as altar servers. In this case, current Church regulations permit women to function as altar servers, therefore it would seem that they may do so today regardless of which Missal is used.

And don’t roll your eyes at me young lady or young man, as the case may be. Show some respect for your elders. 😉
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I am so sorry. :o I agree totally with you. Btw I am probably much older than you. At least my children think I am older than dirt and they are right:p How nice it is to be called young:cool:
 
Girl altar boys, in the TLM???
If “they” try it there will be riots…
And the fact that someones askin, means that ,given the general insanity, of modern Americans…“They” are gonna try it…
get ready!!!
I know I am preparing…
 
adrift said:
I am so sorry. :o I agree totally with you. Btw I am probably much older than you. At least my children think I am older than dirt and they are right:p How nice it is to be called young:cool:
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I presumed you to be younger than me because the only people who roll their eyes at me are my children and their friends. I guess my response is a Pavlovian sort of thing.

Back to the subject at hand: I’m hearing lots of people say they don’t **want **girls to serve at the altar in a Traditional Latin Mass, which is understandable. But I haven’t yet heard anyone demonstrate that they may not licitly do so today, not in 1962.
 
mao_now said:
Girl altar boys, in the TLM???
If “they” try it there will be riots…
And the fact that someones askin, means that ,given the general insanity, of modern Americans…“They” are gonna try it…
get ready!!!
I know I am preparing…
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I believe you may be right. Girl altar servers, communion in the hand, standing for communion, etc.—will be pushed to be incorporated into the TLM.
 
Walking_Home said:
I believe you may be right. Girl altar servers, communion in the hand, standing for communion, etc.—will be pushed to be incorporated into the TLM.
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They will try- they will try. They will not succede at Mater Ecclesiae or other 100 percent TLM parishes that is for sure. However those in the local parishes it is a different story- where you have the Novus Ordo and TLM at the same location. For those who are in the local parishes who have or will have the TLM, be on the defense- defend the Mass of the Ages from what we see as desecration.

Ken
 
Attention my brethern, whomever posted the one hot question and disappeared, why the panic ?

Good baiting I say…
 
Walking_Home said:
I believe you may be right. Girl altar servers, communion in the hand, standing for communion, etc.—will be pushed to be incorporated into the TLM.
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Exactly!..already voices are being heard asking for “changes”…and that favorite thing for the choppin block in the TLM is the “last” Gospel.

Even though no one can give ANY reason why it should be supressed…read about that on the NLM blog spot…

Girl altar boys, eucharistic ministeresses, communion in the hand, versus populum celebrations, suppressing the last Gospel, and multiple signs of the cross, …on and on…

Yes “they” are getting ready, to corrupt the TLM…
Perhaps “WE” should prepare also…

If I cut out the inside of my Angelus Missal I could hide a brick in there…I could follow the mass in my little Fr. Stedman misal

(the above paragraph, is tounge in cheek)…but seriously, dont mess with my Mass, and I PROMISE to leave yours alone…I can even promise you, you will NEVER see me there…even if its the only show in town.
 
Jakub said:
Attention my brethern, whomever posted the one hot question and disappeared, why the panic ?

Good baiting I say…
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She posted at 8:41 AM PT. It has only been 12 hours or so. I am sure she has no response, as they usually do not. Like the one who pushed her daughter up to the altar last Sunday- in her mini skirt and flip flops- no cassock, nothing to hide her clothes- when there were no servers at Mass.

Ken (I have been attending the local Novus Ordo Mass recently)
 
kleary said:
If you “update the rubrics” then you take away many of our reasons for attending the TLM to begin with.

The reasons why many of us choose to attend the TLM to begin with is due to the strict 1962 rubrics that prohibit the current rubrics or lack of rubrics. (1) This includes prohibition of female servers, (2) lay ministers of holy communion, (3) priest facing the people, (4) vernacular readings, (5) canon prayed aloud, (6) standing for holy communion and all the other “complaints” against the Novus Ordo that we all have.

Ken
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I think only (5) is directly mentioned in the rubrics of the missal?

Strictly speaking , (2) is not exactly in the rubrics of the Missal, which (aside from the new Holy Week) doesn’t even speak of other ministers assisting with the communion. It is in the CIC 1917, 845-846.

Neither is (4) or (6) - (6) is, to split hairs, inferred from the posture of other ministers in the Rituale (or in the case of 1962, also from the posture of ministers at the Communion of Maundy Thursday) (4) came under the decrees of the former Congregation of Rites

(1) is mentioned in De Defectibus but I’m clueless as to the relation of that with Canon law. When Pius XII had reduced the Communion fast and allowed Evening Masses De Deectibus was altered to make allowance for that, so there probably is some relation.
 
Caesar is correct in his post. This issue is governed by current canon law which has been authentically interpreted to include women serving at the altar. So as of right now, there is no prohibition on women serving at the extraordinary form of the Mass.
 
Jakub said:
Attention my brethern, whomever posted the one hot question and disappeared, why the panic ?

Good baiting I say…
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I’m not in a panic and this wasn’t bait. In fact, it’s not even my question. We had a seminar at our Church for adults about the Mass. One of the particpants asked the question. I’m not an expert, or even close, and thought I’d try this means to get an answer.

I wasn’t expecting so many replies. I guess the answer, as it now stands, is either yes or no?
 
LindaCapp said:
I’m not in a panic and this wasn’t bait. In fact, it’s not even my question. We had a seminar at our Church for adults about the Mass. One of the particpants asked the question. I’m not an expert, or even close, and thought I’d try this means to get an answer.

I wasn’t expecting so many replies. I guess the answer, as it now stands, is either yes or no?
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The answer is that they were not allowed in 1962 because the code of canon law from 1917 (which was in effect then) did not permit them. Today’s code of canon law from 1983 does permit them. Since the code of canon law applies to the entire Latin Rite, it would be in effect over the ordinary AND extraordinary forms of the Mass. So, yes it is permitted. HOWEVER, it would be very unlikely to occur.

Most priests who are interested in celebrating the extraordinary form are also interested in maintaining the traditions that accompanied that Mass. So, in most cases you will see altar boys (and men) and the Mass will be accompanied by traditional music and chant.

Permitted? = Yes.

Probable? = No.
 
Seems this was forbidden centuries ago.

ALLATAE SUNT
Pope Benedict XIV
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Women Assisting at Mass
Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter (chap. 26) to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: “Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry.” We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in Our oft-repeated constitution Etsi Pastoralis, sect. 6, no. 21.
 
LindaCapp said:
Will female altar servers be permitted in the Latin Mass?
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Absolutely not. That is one of the reasons there is a priest shortage in the OF .Altar boys become priests, altar girls become mothers.
 
I would like to see quotes from Canon Law that answer this question. My Husband says that girls are not allowed to be servers and I say that I want proof, but he doesn’t have all the free time in the world to go looking for it…so if any of you know where it is I would appreciate at least being given a nudge in the right direction.
 
migurl said:
I would like to see quotes from Canon Law that answer this question. My Husband says that girls are not allowed to be servers and I say that I want proof, but he doesn’t have all the free time in the world to go looking for it…so if any of you know where it is I would appreciate at least being given a nudge in the right direction.
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ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWCOMM.HTM
 
Pious_Mat said:
All told, we can’t reinterpret the 1962 missal to suit modern beliefs. It has to be viewed in light of its surroundings, and the rubrics must be strictly observed.
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Why not? And what are “modern beliefs”. Has the Church invented “new” beliefs in the last 40 years?
 
If the progressives get their way I will be on my way elsewhere…
 
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