Female Bishops: Church Of England Renews Pledge To Ordain Women

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SteveVH said:
How is she not the “Queen of England”?
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She is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as the “Queen of England”. She is also, separately, Queen of Canada, and of 14 other independent states.
 
Indifferently said:
She is Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There is no such thing as the “Queen of England”. She is also, separately, Queen of Canada, and of 14 other independent states.
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Sounds right to me.

GKC
 
I also have it on authority that the Queen’s private chapel uses the Book of Common Prayer and that there are no women in sacerdotal garb serving it.
 
liturgyluver said:
I agree - often on this forum people use the word “England” when they really mean Britain or the UK.
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Fair enough. Yet if I said “the Queen of England said so and so…” I think everyone would know of whom I speak. Regardless, thanks for the info.
 
Indifferently said:
I also have it on authority that the Queen’s private chapel uses the Book of Common Prayer and that there are no women in sacerdotal garb serving it.
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This is what I have heard, about the Queen’s Chapels Royal.

GKC
 
MartinJordan said:
Doubt it.

When the Bishop presents the consecrated Host during Mass holds it up and says “this is my body” Jesus is a female? :rolleyes:

MJ
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I think that during the Mass, the words, ‘this is my body’ - are quoting the words of Jesus, and not referring to the body of the celebrant. If this were so we would be receiving the priest’s body at communion.
 
eamonnroma said:
I think that during the Mass, the words, ‘this is my body’ - are quoting the words of Jesus, and not referring to the body of the celebrant.
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Oh, is that what post #2 was talking about? I was scratching my head when I read it.
 
The point which is being missed as that there is one sacrament of Orders. Once women deacons or priests are ordained it is illogical that there not be women bishops. Here Anglicanism is formally closing with the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.
 
eamonnroma said:
The point which is being missed as that there is one sacrament of Orders. Once women deacons or priests are ordained it is illogical that there not be women bishops. Here Anglicanism is formally closing with the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.
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What? Your comments are confusing, at least to me. What do you mean by: “Here Anglicanism is formally closing with the Orthodox and Catholic Churches”?
 
theyoungmonk said:
This is ridiculous pretty much they went and said “So we got defeated the first time this means we will have to vote again and change the way we vote on it until we get the result we want.”

Stupid beyond belief and also quite arrogant, but that is the norm for the liberal elite.
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Sounds like the gay marriage mama drama. It should not surprise anyone how chaotic defining dogma can become when put under a stress test.
Defining what should be dogma by a consensus, regionally, instead of universally does not sound like the truth to me. This mirrors our modern political structures in society. Our secular world has turned to modernism to define and to sometimes redefine truths and tradition. Get enough votes, and you arrive at the truth. We can make anything true, literally anything if we use this method and standard.

It’s all so political and confusing, and unfortunate for the faithful across the world who are caught in the middle. Is there really a true communion if more than one communion exists?

I enjoy Mass. I don’t have to hear about conservatives, liberals, progressives. I see a bunch of fellow Catholics, fellow Catholics that prob don’t always agree amongst each other or even with Rome all the time, but at the end of the day, there really is only one Communion and one defined Truth. You still have a choice, the Church just makes teaching Christ’s Truth a little easier to follow, without all the political confusion.
 
eamonnroma said:
The point which is being missed as that there is one sacrament of Orders. Once women deacons or priests are ordained it is illogical that there not be women bishops. Here Anglicanism is formally closing with the Orthodox and Catholic Churches.
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I can understand your logic; but the fact is that the early church had female deacons (deaconesses), but of course did *not *have female priests or bishops.
 
Peter_J said:
I can understand your logic; but the fact is that the early church had female deacons (deaconesses), but of course did *not *have female priests or bishops.
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I don’t believe that these deaconesses were ordained with the sacrament of Holy Orders, however. Their main role was to dress and undress women who were being baptized, which was not proper for the men to do. Here is a quote from the First Council of Nicea:

"Likewise in the case of their deaconesses, and generally in the case of those who have been enrolled among their clergy, let the same form be observed. And we mean by deaconesses such as have assumed the habit, but who, since they have no imposition of hands, are to be numbered only among the laity.”
 
SteveVH said:
What? Your comments are confusing, at least to me. What do you mean by: “Here Anglicanism is formally closing with the Orthodox and Catholic Churches”?
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I apologise, you are correct, I was not clear. I mean that having decided to have a female clergy there is no real possibility of union / communion between the Anglian church and the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches as they will never accept women priests
 
eamonnroma said:
I apologise, you are correct, I was not clear. I mean that having decided to have a female clergy there is no real possibility of union / communion between the Anglian church and the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches as they will never accept women priests
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Many liberal Catholics have a strange notion that Pope Francis will introduce to the Catholic Church, “women priests”.
 
eamonnroma said:
I apologise, you are correct, I was not clear. I mean that having decided to have a female clergy there is no real possibility of union / communion between the Anglian church and the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches as they will never accept women priests
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Yes, the Russian Church recently said as much, that any women’s ordination (specifically to the episcopate, IIRC) will permanently ruin any chances of future communion. Not that there’s any chance anyway with women priests, the Episcopal Church, clergy in same-sex relationships, etc., but still it shows the real “breaking point” for hopes of communion.
 
eamonnroma said:
I apologise, you are correct, I was not clear. I mean that having decided to have a female clergy there is no real possibility of union / communion between the Anglian church and the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches as they will never accept women priests
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Thanks for the clarification. Agreed.
 
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