Female Cantors?

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i am so embarassed to say this but i do not know whether women are allowed to be cantors… i know it is considered a clerical role… does anybody know the answer to this?

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All the time. In fact, we have one that does it a daily mass…acapella since we do not have an organist.

This is the definition from the US Catholic Council of Bishops glossary…Cantor: One who sings during the liturgy (i.e., the responsorial psalm).

usccb.org/comm/alphagloss.shtml#c

No where does it say a gender nor this being a clerical role…merely a liturgical function.
 
gracias

i was confused because i read the Catholic Encyclopedia and just happen to notice that it was written from the male perspective

newadvent.org/cathen/03306a.htm

i did not know if that was intentional…

i think i would be very good at this… i have been in the choir forever and i can teach… i wonder who you could approach about this…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
i think i would be very good at this… i have been in the choir forever and i can teach… i wonder who you could approach about this…

Dominus Vobiscum
You could try the director of the music ministry in your church (the name should be in the bulletin somewhere).

In my church, some of the choir members take turns acting as cantor, so we have women, men, and married couples.
 
I’m not sure it’s considered a clerical role? I do know that at a cantor conference and workshop that I went to a few years ago - many women were in attendance and leading the workshops. Our Music Director and cantor is a woman with a beautiful voice. She does prefer to use male cantors (including me) if she can. That way it is easier to have a melody range that the congregation can sing in.

(My very first post ever - thanks)👍
 
All we have are woman cantors. We are not a liberal parish, we still don’t have altergirls.
 
gracias

i was confused because i read the Catholic Encyclopedia and just happen to notice that it was written from the male perspective

newadvent.org/cathen/03306a.htm

i did not know if that was intentional…

i think i would be very good at this… i have been in the choir forever and i can teach… i wonder who you could approach about this…

Dominus Vobiscum
The Catholic Encyclopedia is a hundred years old. Many things that were reserved for clerics then are open to the laity now.
 
Gracias

i had no idea… why don’t they update it? i think it is a very useful resource sometimes…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
i am so embarassed to say this but i do not know whether women are allowed to be cantors…
I think so, but they’re supposed to be called cantettes.

I joke, I joke. In seriousness, there is no restriction that comes to mind against the use of women as cantors, EMs, or altar servers. The restriction on feet washing during mass still applies and is men only though (which is funny, because many people miss that fact)
 
Actually, the proper term for a female is cantress. A cantor is a male.
 
I think so, but they’re supposed to be called cantettes.

I joke, I joke.
Actually, if we are to stick to Latin: cantrix
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i had no idea… why don’t they update it? i think it is a very useful resource sometimes…
The Catholic Encyclopedia has been updated, in 1967 and a second edition in 2002, but only the old, out-of-copyright version is available online (and was a volunteer effort at that)

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Cantrix is the Latin word for a type of Roman slave. A cantrix was a woman singer. Tell the women they are really slaves! That will go over well.😃
 
Generally I would agree with the above comments, the role of cantor can be done by a female. But it is worth part of the role of an instituted lector (which is for men only) is to “direct the singing … of the faithful”.

From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“104. It is fitting that there be a cantor or a choir director to lead and sustain the people’s singing. When in fact there is no choir, it is up to the cantor to lead the different chants, with the people taking part. …
107. The liturgical duties that are not proper to the priest or the deacon and are listed above (cf. nos. 100-106) may also be entrusted by a liturgical blessing or a temporary deputation to suitable lay persons chosen by the pastor or rector of the church. [footnote 89: 89. Cf. Pontifical Commission for interpreting legal texts, response to dubium regarding can. 230 § 2: AAS 86 (1994), p. 541.] All should observe the norms established by the Bishop for his diocese regarding the office of those who serve the priest at the altar.”

From the 1972 Motu Proprio Ministeria Quaedam, with “reader” referring to an instituted lector:
“5. The reader is appointed for a function proper to him, that of reading the word of God in the liturgical assembly. Accordingly, he is to proclaim the readings from sacred Scripture, except for the gospel in the Mass and other sacred celebrations; he is to recite the psalm between the readings when there is no psalmist; he is to present the intentions for the general intercessions in the absence of a deacon or cantor; **he is to direct the singing and the participation by the faithful; **he is to instruct the faithful for the worthy reception of the sacraments. He may also, insofar as may be necessary, take care of preparing other faithful who are appointed on a temporary basis to read the Scriptures in liturgical celebrations. That he may more fittingly and perfectly fulfill these functions, he is to meditate assiduously on sacred Scripture.”
The full document is at romanrite.com/Churchdoc.html .

So the priest could reasonably prefer a instituted lector as cantor, rather than someone else. But an instituted lector being cantor is not encouraged with the same force that the instituted lector proclaim the readings. On this, the 2002 GIRM has:
“101. In the absence of an instituted lector, other laypersons may be commissioned to proclaim the readings from Sacred Scripture. …”.

The Motu Proprio is a little unclear. It mentions cantor as another person, who might present the general intercessions. But it gives the role of “directing the singing” – which sounds liike the role of the cantor – to the instituted lector.

Here is the original Latin text:
“V. Lector instituitur ad munus, quod est ei proprium, legendi in coctu liturgico verbum Dei. Quapropter in Missa et in aliis sacris actionibus, lectiones (non autem Evangelium) e Sacra Scriptura proferat; deficiente psalmista, psalmum inter lectiones recites; intentiones orationis universalis enuntiet, ubi diaconus vel cantor praesto non sunt; centum moderetur et populi fidelis participationem dirigat; fideles ad Sacramenta digne recipienda instituat. …”.
 
Re: “cantrix”

In classical Roman times, perhaps a “cantrix” was a type of slave. But in medieval times, it is no such thing.

One reads in the Catholic Encyclopedia, for instance, that St. Mechtilde (abbess and teacher of St. Gertrude the Great) was a “domna cantrix”:

newadvent.org/cathen/10105b.htm

Gifted with a beautiful voice, Mechtilde also possessed a special talent for rendering the solemn and sacred music over which she presided as domna cantrix. All her life she held this office and trained the choir with indefatigable zeal. Indeed, Divine praise was the keynote of her life as it is of her book; in this she never tired, despite her continual and severe physical sufferings, so that in His revelations Christ was wont to call her His “nightingale”.

People forget that there was and is a long and glorious tradition of female singing, as well as male, in the monasteries and convents of the world; and they had cantrices to lead them.
 
Thank you so much for posting this article. Im so happy to hear that singing is also a place of woman. I think the readings should be done only by men. Thats my feeling, when I have to read due to a lack of experienced volunteers. I love to read, but internally feel that it should be a male voice.

Thank you again for posting this.

Sara:thumbsup:
 
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