Female pope; and 2 Popes running concurrently?

[Talitha]

Good evening from Ireland

I was astonished when I was talking to told me about a female Pope; see

hypatia-lovers.com/AncientWays/section15.html

Has anyone else heard of this?

Also about 2 Popes reigning concurrently? I remember reading about this in a book about Catherine of Siena.

Blessings this night…

 

[DeFide]

Talitha:

Good evening from Ireland

I was astonished when I was talking to told me about a female Pope; see

hypatia-lovers.com/AncientWays/section15.html

Has anyone else heard of this?

Also about 2 Popes reigning concurrently? I remember reading about this in a book about Catherine of Siena.

Blessings this night…

False and false.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=49314&highlight=pope+joan

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=16962&highlight=antipope

There can only be one Pope. Any other claimants are antipopes (not truly the Pope).

 

[Talitha]

The historical authenticity of these phenomena is beyond reproach and irrefutable, and upon request can be veiwed in the Vatican Archives in Rome…

I know someone personally who has viewed these infallible records…

Blessings this night…

 

[Tom]

Talitha:

The historical authenticity of these phenomena is beyond reproach and irrefutable, and upon request can be veiwed in the Vatican Archives in Rome…

I know someone personally who has viewed these infallible records…

Blessings this night…

They are both fiction, please produce your “irrefutable and beyond reproach” proof from a Church source.

 

[LilyM]

With all respect, Talitha, legends of ‘Pope Joan’ are an ‘infallible record’? The legend has the poor woman conveniently getting pregnant and giving birth in a back alley of the Vatican or some such - sounds a bit farfetched.

For it to be infallible it has to be declared to be a required article of faith by another Pope - please kindly tell me which Pope declared it a matter of doctrine or dogma that the faithful have to believe in the existence of Pope Joan?

And two popes at the same time? You mean those times where there has been one validly and freely chosen POPE and one or more ANTI-POPES chosen invalidly after undue political pressure from various rulers who wanted Popes who were politically sympathetic to them? Even today there are some heretic groups who have proclaimed their leaders to be the ‘true Pope’ rather than Benedict.

Again, where is it declared that the Catholic faithful are required to believe that at any point in history there was more than one validly elected and validly reigning (ie no situation of abdication or anything) Pope?

 

[Rebecca_New]

POPE FICTION by Patrick Madrid can be bought at the shop on CA. It covers these topics.

 

[Mike_D30]

Talitha:

The historical authenticity of these phenomena is beyond reproach and irrefutable, and upon request can be veiwed in the Vatican Archives in Rome…

I know someone personally who has viewed these infallible records…

Blessings this night…

20/20 did a story on Pope Joan and they best they could uncover as an investigative news source with millions of dollars at their disposal, was a sculpture, and a chair with a hole in it and a WHOLE lot of conjecture. The story wasn’t very convincing.

I doubt your friend has seen any records about this from the Vatican or otherwise.

 

[Talitha]

Please, go to Rome, as others seeking truth about these matters have.
My witness in this was unimpeachable and saw the records.

Even Rome is capable of error from that historical perspective.

That should not perturb those of true faith

It was of a different time when Rome was struggling for supremacy.

An interesting and humorous part of the Church’s history.

The most interesting fact is that the female Pope episode was not even refuted by Rome for several centuries; part of their tradition was that it had to be recorded in archives which still exist even after their suppression.

 

[a_cermak]

Pope Joan is a popular legend, but probably just that.

There was a period though where there were 3 people who thought they were popes during 14th century. Not sure if any of them were legit though. I think a Council finally settled the matter. The 14th, 15th and 16th centuries weren’t all that lovely for the Papacy, though it was frequently a matter of shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

Talitha:

Please, go to Rome, as others seeking truth about these matters have.

In other words, make my case for me. You cast serious doubts on this theory the moment you mentioned infallibilty.

Scott

 

[DeFide]

Talitha:

Please, go to Rome, as others seeking truth about these matters have.
My witness in this was unimpeachable and saw the records.

Even Rome is capable of error from that historical perspective.

That should not perturb those of true faith

It was of a different time when Rome was struggling for supremacy.

An interesting and humorous part of the Church’s history.

The most interesting fact is that the female Pope episode was not even refuted by Rome for several centuries; part of their tradition was that it had to be recorded in archives which still exist even after their suppression.

:yawn: When are you going to read my links?

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=49314&highlight=pope+joan

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=16962&highlight=antipope

 

[Mike_D30]

Talitha:

Please, go to Rome, as others seeking truth about these matters have.
My witness in this was unimpeachable and saw the records.

There’s been a bunch of news stories about “the female Pope” especially around Christmas time, professional journalists have gone to Rome, overturned most every stone and found nothing like you are talking about, this so called “infallible proof”.

I hate to call you out like this, but either back up your claims with anything, or stop claiming this slander with such authority.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

While these things are always around, does anyone else notice that it really kicks up a notch around Easter? This is one of those inklings that make me think I’m on the right track with Catholicism.

Let’s see now:

–Pope Joan
–Jesus floats on ice rather than walking on water (funny, a hundred years ago some said he walked on a sand bar. Give it another hundred years and I expect the theory will be he floated on a some kind of primitive boogie-board. )
–Richard Carrier’s reasons why he doesn’t believe the resurrection (on another thread)
–DaVinci Code movie coming out.

and my personal favorite display of special pleading, arguments from silence, and lots of wishful thinking:

–Jesus didn’t exist in the first place.

Really. Why do I have to pursue the evidence for Pope Joan when these other theories are even juicier? Who gets to decide? Why do they get to decide?

Scott

 

[Fidelis]

Talitha:

The historical authenticity of these phenomena is beyond reproach and irrefutable, and upon request can be veiwed in the Vatican Archives in Rome…

I know someone personally who has viewed these infallible records…

Blessings this night…

With all due respect to your personal aquaintance—as we say in the States: he is full of baloney.

 

[1ke]

Talitha:

Good evening from Ireland

I was astonished when I was talking to told me about a female Pope; see

hypatia-lovers.com/AncientWays/section15.html

Has anyone else heard of this?

Yes, it is a very common myth floating around the internet. It is not true.

Talitha:

Also about 2 Popes reigning concurrently? I remember reading about this in a book about Catherine of Siena.

Blessings this night…

There can be only one pope at any time. During various points in history there have been pretenders, invalidly elected, who claim to be pope. But, the Church has always maintained records of the actual popes.

 

[Brian_Ingram]

Talitha:

Good evening from Ireland

I was astonished when I was talking to told me about a female Pope; see

hypatia-lovers.com/AncientWays/section15.html

Has anyone else heard of this?

Also about 2 Popes reigning concurrently? I remember reading about this in a book about Catherine of Siena.

Blessings this night…

The story of this started 350 years after the alleged event. At the Reformation it gained currency with the Protestants as anti catholic propaganda.** **

It would be very hard to expunge the so-called Pope John VIII from the list of Popes without leaving a gap in it

St Leo IV ruled from 847-55 the alleged reign of Pope John VIII. Leo was a vigorous defender of Rome from Islamic invaders and rebuilt the wall around Rome. His reign is chronicled at newadvent.org/cathen/09159a.htm

If it had happened as alleged it would have added to the tension with the Byzantine Empire and the Greek Church and have been noted by them (and any so-called expunging of John VIII from the list of Popes), and given rise to later Eastern Orthodox polemics against the Papacy. The fact that this is not the case speaks volumes in regards the truth of this myth.

Pax

Brian

 

[CARose]

Fidelis:

With all due respect to your personal aquaintance—as we say in the States: he is full of baloney.

In light of the audience, perhaps we should say, “He’s kissed the Blarney”.

CARose

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Talitha:

Good evening from Ireland

I was astonished when I was talking to told me about a female Pope; see

hypatia-lovers.com/AncientWays/section15.html

Has anyone else heard of this?

Also about 2 Popes reigning concurrently? I remember reading about this in a book about Catherine of Siena.

Blessings this night…

Hi Talitha;

Pope Joan is a myth. It started in the 13th century. The myth is well documented, but that does not make the story true. Read for yourself…

Popess Joan - New Advent Article

Two popes have reigned concurrently, but one of the popes was not a valid pope. Never have two valid popes held the title concurrently. The pretender pope is referred to sometimes as an “antipope.” Here’s another link:

Antipope - New Advent Article

Here’s another link to the list of popes at New Advent:

List of Popes - New Advent Article

It’s very easy to be taken in by the myths. It takes courage to stand up and state the truth. Your assertions are unsupported and incorrect.

-Peace.

 

[thistle]

Talitha:

The historical authenticity of these phenomena is beyond reproach and irrefutable, and upon request can be veiwed in the Vatican Archives in Rome…

I know someone personally who has viewed these infallible records…

Blessings this night…

You must be a really gullible person to believe that nonsense!! Have you personally read these records. I bet not!!!

 

[BlestOne]

Did you all notice how much more the Pope Joan stories surfaced after the media tried to make the selection of the sucessor to JPII through the media? I laughed so hard when they reported it just like a political campaign…all the while plugging away for female priests and other liberal “reforms” It got so bad I found myself torn between yelling at the TV and laughing my butt off. Like, how did they think they would be able to influence a bunch of sequestered cardinals! What a waste of airtime!