Female preists

[Roy5]

Indeed.

And since there are so many denominations that promote women ‘priests,’ why do you not point that out?

Why ask or even expect the Catholic Church to change into something she is not, when females who feel they want to be ‘priests’ can so easily go elsewhere?

Actually, that's what may be happening. In this community. For example, a woman became church administrator of a large parish. Finally, she gave up on the Catholic Church, went to seminary, and was ordained in the Episcopal Church. She now is a hospital chaplain.

Defenders of tradition naturally find reasons to defend that tradition. We live in the 21th century, and following patterns set 2000 years ago, when women were permitted few privileges in a harsh patriarchal society, hardly should set the pattern for today. I find nothing in scripture that clearly excludes women from ordination. In any case, it ought to be an issue that is debated openly and honestly within the Church.

 

[Evan]

Actually, that’s what may be happening. In this community. For example, a woman became church administrator of a large parish. Finally, she gave up on the Catholic Church, went to seminary, and was ordained in the Episcopal Church. She now is a hospital chaplain.

Defenders of tradition naturally find reasons to defend that tradition. We live in the 21th century, and following patterns set 2000 years ago, when women were permitted few privileges in a harsh patriarchal society, hardly should set the pattern for today.** I find nothing in scripture that clearly excludes women from ordination. In any case, it ought to be an issue that is debated openly and honestly within the Church**.

The Church does not base it’s revelation on Scripture Alone. Scripture is part of our Sacred Traditions and other Traditions are also included in revelation. It is the Holy Spirit, sent to reveal all truth to the Church, that plays an important part in what is Tradition and what is discipline.

 

[adrift]

Actually, that’s what may be happening. In this community. For example, a woman became church administrator of a large parish. Finally, she gave up on the Catholic Church, went to seminary, and was ordained in the Episcopal Church. She now is a hospital chaplain.

Defenders of tradition naturally find reasons to defend that tradition. We live in the 21th century, and following patterns set 2000 years ago, when women were permitted few privileges in a harsh patriarchal society, hardly should set the pattern for today. I find nothing in scripture that clearly excludes women from ordination. In any case, it ought to be an issue that is debated openly and honestly within the Church.

Lets see 2000 years ago the Church said do not Do not steal, lie, commit adultery, or murder. Since its 2000 years ago, an we live in th ST century, that must be out of date. Truth is truth for all times otherwise it wouldn’t be truth.

Just to repeat because obviously you haven’t read the thread. There is nothing in Scripture that says women should be ordained. What you have is a consistent practice of ordaining men only starting with Aaron. If God had wanted priestesses, He would have ordained Marion with Aaron. It is quite obvious from Scripture that God did not want priestesses.

 

[Professor_Bunky]

Actually, that’s what may be happening. In this community. For example, a woman became church administrator of a large parish. Finally, she gave up on the Catholic Church, went to seminary, and was ordained in the Episcopal Church. She now is a hospital chaplain.

Defenders of tradition naturally find reasons to defend that tradition. We live in the 21th century, and following patterns set 2000 years ago, when women were permitted few privileges in a harsh patriarchal society, hardly should set the pattern for today. I find nothing in scripture that clearly excludes women from ordination. In any case, it ought to be an issue that is debated openly and honestly within the Church.

Right.

So we should also discard the harsh patriarchal edicts against rape, robbery and murder.

It almost makes me laugh, the way church-bashers operate. Harsh patriarchal society or Mary-worshippers. Can’t have it both ways.

PS: Haha, adrift beat me to it! Great minds, lol.

 

[KP3243]

Actually, that’s what may be happening. In this community. For example, a woman became church administrator of a large parish. Finally, she gave up on the Catholic Church, went to seminary, and was ordained in the Episcopal Church. She now is a hospital chaplain.

Defenders of tradition naturally find reasons to defend that tradition. We live in the 21th century, and following patterns set 2000 years ago, when women were permitted few privileges in a harsh patriarchal society, hardly should set the pattern for today. I find nothing in scripture that clearly excludes women from ordination. In any case, it ought to be an issue that is debated openly and honestly within the Church.

We are following what Jesus himself established 2000 years ago. I would rather use divine tradition than a tradition of man. Besides that Jesus was the greatest champion of women. Women weren’t allowed to be witnesses in court and a woman was the first witness of his resurrection. Women and children weren’t allowed in parts of the temple, women had to be cleansed after giving birth and they weren’t allowed to be close to God in the Holy of Holies, Jesus being God himself came to them and healed them that would be unheard of. Do you ever wonder why Mark who has the shortest Gospel bothered to include the details that when Jesus healed the woman with the hemorrhage that she suffered for 12 years and the little girl Jesus brought back to life was 12 years old? Jesus honored the fertility of women. The woman with hemorrhage was suffering in her most fertile time and the little girl was dead before she became a woman.

 

[Ignatius]

I’m having trouble grasping why women can’t be preists. I’ve heard it has to do with the role a preist plays, but I still don’t get it. A preist hears confession, conducts mass, does weddings, funerals, etc. What about those things makes it impossible for a woman to do?

We are not talking about protestant ministers here, they can certainly become protestant ministers because being a protestant minister is only about the role that they play and those functions.

While the Catholic Priesthood does perform some of those functions, that is not the core of the priesthood. The priesthood is a Sacrament. All Sacraments are instituted by Christ and are valid only when carried out with the same form and matter that Jesus used. If this is not done, it is not a Sacrament but a sham and a sacrilege and a mockery. The Church has no authority whatsoever to ordain priestesses and cannot participate in such a sacrilege.

 

[Roy5]

Lets see 2000 years ago the Church said do not Do not steal, lie, commit adultery, or murder. Since its 2000 years ago, an we live in th ST century, that must be out of date. Truth is truth for all times otherwise it wouldn’t be truth.

Just to repeat because obviously you haven’t read the thread. There is nothing in Scripture that says women should be ordained. What you have is a consistent practice of ordaining men only starting with Aaron. If God had wanted priestesses, He would have ordained Marion with Aaron. It is quite obvious from Scripture that God did not want priestesses.

There is much in the Bible that obviously is out of date. Do we kill witches? Do we take rebellious sons to the city gates and have elders stone them to death? Do we approve of slavery and fathers that can even sell their daughters? And we could go on and on. Re-read Ex. 21, Lev. 20, Deut. 22-23 and see how many of those laws you accept. As for the New Testament, it says that women should cover their heads at worship, that they should keep silent in church, that they should never instruct men, that slaves should obey their masters. When I attend mass women's heads are uncovered and they serve as readers. Mother Angelica has spent years instructing men (and women) - and I hear other women do the same on EWTN. And what does the church today think of slavery?

 Some traditions of 2000 years ago are important. Many have been scrapped - or need to be scrapped. Many changes were made by Vatican II. Let's have some more of them.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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