Female Priests in Sweden

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boomerang said:
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Disagreeing with people does not require you to engage in -]malicious mind-reading/-] libel and such tactics do nothing to win people to orthodoxy.

Somehow, “orthodoxy” and “women priests” just don’t seem to go together! 😛

I think I’m not the only one who “doesn’t have a clue” ! 😃
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I was assuming that you are correct and it is unorthodox to ordain women as Catholic priests. (A further question would be why you care about women being ordained as Lutheran pastors, but that would be a separate discussion, perhaps.)

You don’t seem to have followed what I am saying at all.

You have no business making pronouncements about what other people want.

They get to say what they want.

You don’t.

By linking the Catholic Church’s stance on women’s ordination to wild, uncharitable speculation about other people’s motives, you are making it harder for people to accept that teaching.

Is that clear enough for you?

Edwin
 
Please visit the WOC (Women’s Ordination Council) or Future Church (Sister Christine Schenk) both are helpful in understanding. I am blocked from both sites at present. They do not like opposition…just as the Sister of Mercy of the America’s.
 
TheresaLS said:
Please visit the WOC (Women’s Ordination Council) or Future Church (Sister Christine Schenk) both are helpful in understanding. I am blocked from both sites at present. They do not like opposition…just as the Sister of Mercy of the America’s.
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What is the benifit of going to these sites that oppose Catholic teaching?:confused:
 
I visited a confessional ELCA church today for Reformation Sunday - how appropriate that the prayer today had this:

In your mercy, save your church from disobedient creativity and imaginative innovations in doctrine (Ephesians 4:14;2 Timothy 4:3-5, Galatians 5:13), and help us to remain true to the teachings delivered once and for all to the first believers of old (1 Corinthians 15:58; Philippians 2:16; Jude 1:3);

HEAR US, GOOD LORD.
 
benjohnson said:
I visited a confessional ELCA church today for Reformation Sunday - how appropriate that the prayer today had this:

In your mercy, save your church from disobedient creativity and imaginative innovations in doctrine (Ephesians 4:14;2 Timothy 4:3-5, Galatians 5:13), and help us to remain true to the teachings delivered once and for all to the first believers of old (1 Corinthians 15:58; Philippians 2:16; Jude 1:3);

HEAR US, GOOD LORD.
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Amen…as a Catholic I pray that…for us to remain true to what God gave us though His true Church
 
The Nordic state churches are all dying. Not exactly a good model.
If it wasn’t for state money most of their doors would be closed.
Catholism is actually making a comeback in these places.
Mostly through immigration.But also amongst conservative Luthern converts.
The fastest rising religion in these countries, however, is Islam.
I don’t think women priests will be much of an issue.
if they achieve power.
 
gus said:
The Nordic state churches are all dying. Not exactly a good model.
If it wasn’t for state money most of their doors would be closed.
Catholism is actually making a comeback in these places.
Mostly through immigration.But also amongst conservative Luthern converts.
The fastest rising religion in these countries, however, is Islam.
I don’t think women priests will be much of an issue.
if they achieve power.
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From your lips to God’s ear…
 
Contarini said:
I was assuming that you are correct and it is unorthodox to ordain women as Catholic priests. (A further question would be why you care about women being ordained as Lutheran pastors, but that would be a separate discussion, perhaps.)

You don’t seem to have followed what I am saying at all.

You have no business making pronouncements about what other people want.

They get to say what they want.

You don’t.

By linking the Catholic Church’s stance on women’s ordination to wild, uncharitable speculation about other people’s motives, you are making it harder for people to accept that teaching.

Is that clear enough for you?

Edwin
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I have no idea of what other people are thinking and neither do you. But I can legitimately state what I infer that other people are thinking based on their behavior. I do get to say what I believe they want. Calm down, Torquemada! :p.
 
benjohnson said:
I visited a confessional ELCA church today for Reformation Sunday - how appropriate that the prayer today had this:

In your mercy, save your church from disobedient creativity and imaginative innovations in doctrine (Ephesians 4:14;2 Timothy 4:3-5, Galatians 5:13), and help us to remain true to the teachings delivered once and for all to the first believers of old (1 Corinthians 15:58; Philippians 2:16; Jude 1:3);

HEAR US, GOOD LORD.
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This is off topic but I have a question for LCMS
My grandson attends a LCMS school.
I noticed on the services board
they offered traditional at 9:00am
And modern at 11:00
I might not have the terms right
Is this common and how do they differ.
 
gus said:
This is off topic but I have a question for LCMS
My grandson attends a LCMS school.
I noticed on the services board
they offered traditional at 9:00am
And modern at 11:00
I might not have the terms right
Is this common and how do they differ.
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The traditional service will follow one of the ancient liturgies and use our robust hymns. A ‘modern’ service will typically use a more fluid liturgy and nebulous, not-so-Luthern praise songs.

The preaching at either service should clearly reflect the Law and Gospel in the day’s readings, as well as application to today.
 
I did not expect to win anyone over on the issue of women’s ordination [that topic has been discussed thoroughly on CAF]. But the video allows insight into the Church’s practice of including females in the priesthood. Those of us who belong to synods/ dioceses [Lutheran and Anglican] served by these wonderful women pastors know the power of the Word that proclaims: “There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus” Galatians 3:28.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I did not expect to win anyone over on the issue of women’s ordination [that topic has been discussed thoroughly on CAF]. But the video allows insight into the Church’s practice of including females in the priesthood. Those of us who belong to synods/ dioceses [Lutheran and Anglican] served by these wonderful women pastors know the power of the Word that proclaims: “There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus” Galatians 3:28.
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As has already been stated, this is neither a matter of equality nor ability nor worthiness. It is a matter of function within the Church and Christ gave us the example. This has absolutely nothing to do with Galatians 3:28.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I did not expect to win anyone over on the issue of women’s ordination [that topic has been discussed thoroughly on CAF]. But the video allows insight into the Church’s practice of including females in the priesthood. Those of us who belong to synods/ dioceses [Lutheran and Anglican] served by these wonderful women pastors know the power of the Word that proclaims: “There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus” Galatians 3:28.
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Further to SteveVH above:

The Pope warned that there are two dangers always present when speaking about this topic, calling them “two extreme opposites that destroy woman and her vocation.”

“The first is to reduce maternity to a social role, to a task, albeit noble, but which in fact sets the woman aside with her potential and does not value her fully in the building of community. This is both in the civil sphere and in the ecclesial sphere,” explained the Holy Father.

“And,** in reaction to this**, there is the other danger in the opposite direction, that of promoting a type of emancipation which, in order to occupy spaces taken away from the masculine, abandons the feminine with** the precious traits that characterize it**.”

Source: news.va/en/news/pope-francis-women-called-to-service-not-servitude

Bolded mine.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Further to SteveVH above:

The Pope warned that there are two dangers always present when speaking about this topic, calling them “two extreme opposites that destroy woman and her vocation.”

“The first is to reduce maternity to a social role, to a task, albeit noble, but which in fact sets the woman aside with her potential and does not value her fully in the building of community. This is both in the civil sphere and in the ecclesial sphere,” explained the Holy Father.

“And,** in reaction to this**, there is the other danger in the opposite direction, that of promoting a type of emancipation which, in order to occupy spaces taken away from the masculine, abandons the feminine with** the precious traits that characterize it**.”

Source: news.va/en/news/pope-francis-women-called-to-service-not-servitude

Bolded mine.

MJ
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Words of wisdom. Thanks. 👍
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The scene of the female priest baptizing the infant and then holding the baby like a mother convinces me, all the more, that the idea of women priests is natural and holy.
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This had the opposite effect. Like a mother in deed but no father:(

Why is it that they are called women priest rather than use the word priestess? The avoidance of priestess convinces me that it is unnatural and not holy.
 
boomerang said:
I have no idea of what other people are thinking and neither do you. But I can legitimately state what I infer that other people are thinking based on their behavior. I do get to say what I believe they want.
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You “get” to. No one is going to haul you off to jail or forcibly silence you.

But you reveal yourself as clueless and rude when you do so, and you confirm the impression of more liberal Christians that people who reject women’s ordination do so because of prejudice.

If you had even said “women who want to be ordained clearly want to be male” I would still think you were wrong and had no business speaking for these women, but at least that would be worth discussing. One could see how, on your principles, one desire must include the other. It was the “more than” that was just inexcusable.

Women who want to be ordained say that it’s because God has called them to serve the Church in this way. Even if they are mistaken, you owe it to them to believe that this is their sincere belief and motivation, unless you have some clear evidence to the contrary.

Edwin
 
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