Female Priests in Sweden

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bilop said:
OK, well a Pope (who is about to Canonized) stated definitively, as a Magisterial teaching, that it was impossible for the Church to ever ordain a woman to the priesthood. Not just prohibited, but beyond the power of the Church.

Why doesn’t that end the issue?

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The Church reflects Christ. For example, the remarkable progress toward reunification of Lutherans and Catholics must be viewed as an understanding of our God-given responsibility, in my opinion. Anything is possible with Christ.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I am a Catholic in the Lutheran tradition. As a member of the Western Church, I believe the Pope is the primary head of the holy Church.
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I am happy that if you cross the bridge you will respect that women will hopefully never be ordained…priestly celibacy???
 
bilop said:
OK, well a Pope (who is about to Canonized) stated definitively, as a Magisterial teaching, that it was impossible for the Church to ever ordain a woman to the priesthood. Not just prohibited, but beyond the power of the Church.

Why doesn’t that end the issue?

God Bless
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His browser is set to block anything that is against his agenda.
 
I know you’re kidding because I doubt that you really think the idea of women becoming priests is the worst thing that could happen to our church. I bet we could come up with a very long list of things that would supersede it. When the Church even mentions its Fishers of Men program or laments about it’s problems with dwindling priestly vocations, I just ignore it. They have so many options from ordaining women & married priests to expanding their CCTV masses with Eucharistic ministers collecting offerings & serving communion at remote locations. It’s already being done for overflow events & extraordinary circumstances. Imagine one priest saying mass for dozens, even hundreds of parishes at a time. That’s where we’re headed if we don’t stretch the requirements.
 
PeopleB4Things said:
Haha. I was talking about Jesus’ mom. But you know, Mary Magdalene fits the bill as well.
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Yes I should have read more carefully. You are simply wrong. Mary was not an apostle in any sense of the word. Mary always points to her son who is the architect of the priesthood. The history does not start with the New Testament but the old. Marion was an idea candidate to be a priest but God did not deem it so only the men were chosen. Mary Magdalen would have been an idea candidate, in human eyes but God chose otherwise. To call it man made is to eliminate God’s operation in His Church.

There will never be priestess because that would mean the end of Church and then it would be man made.
 
Married priests are not as common as you think and it comes with restrictions that are not very conducive to marriage maintenance. Ask around and find out who many members here have married priests in their parishes. Many conservative Catholics oppose converted married priests as vehemently as you oppose women priests and they can site the doctrine to support their assertions as readily as you do.

And like I said, the church has many options. For example, my church is basically run by the parishioners, with the exception of our school and fiances (we pay a principal and a business manager for that). We already have parishioner led counseling ministries (bereavement, divorce, family, etc), RCIA, religious ed, youth ministry, CYA, social justice, etc. With Eucharistic ministers, CCTV masses and happily married deacons to handle baptisms, etc, we really wont need priests for that much. We can pay priests to come in as needed just like we pay for priests to come in when our parish priests are away. Our religion has always taught us that we are the building blocks of our church. Our church isn’t a priest or a building. It’s us. Asking us to take on greater responsibility in our parishes is going to upset those prefer just to show up on Sunday and not be bothered to do more. But for the rest of us, it will be a chance to use our talents for our church community. Ditching parish priests for district priests may be really good for us. It will make us more responsive to and more responsible for our faith. Having less priests in our lives just may make stronger Catholics. This solution will also appease those who oppose married priests and those who oppose women priests for doctrinal reasons.
 
Luther & the Augsburg Confession referred to the blessed Virgin as second only to Jesus, the Queen of Heaven who prays for the Church. That sounds awfully sacerdotal to me.
 
PeopleB4Things said:
Married priests are not as common as you think and it comes with restrictions that are not very conducive to marriage maintenance. Ask around and find out who many members here have married priests in their parishes. Many conservative Catholics oppose converted married priests as vehemently as you oppose women priests and they can site the doctrine to support their assertions as readily as you do.

And like I said, the church has many options. For example, my church is basically run by the parishioners, with the exception of our school and fiances (we pay a principal and a business manager for that). We already have parishioner led counseling ministries (bereavement, divorce, family, etc), RCIA, religious ed, youth ministry, CYA, social justice, etc. With Eucharistic ministers, CCTV masses and happily married deacons to handle baptisms, etc, we really wont need priests for that much. We can pay priests to come in as needed just like we pay for priests to come in when our parish priests are away. Our religion has always taught us that we are the building blocks of our church. Our church isn’t a priest or a building. It’s us. Asking us to take on greater responsibility in our parishes is going to upset those prefer just to show up on Sunday and not be bothered to do more. But for the rest of us, it will be a chance to use our talents for our church community. Ditching parish priests for district priests may be really good for us. It will make us more responsive to and more responsible for our faith. Having less priests in our lives just may make stronger Catholics. This solution will also appease those who oppose married priests and those who oppose women priests for doctrinal reasons.
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You describe several Roman Catholic parishes I have worshiped in. And where nuns have a central role.
 
PeopleB4Things said:
Married priests are not as common as you think and it comes with restrictions that are not very conducive to marriage maintenance. Ask around and find out who many members here have married priests in their parishes. Many conservative Catholics oppose converted married priests as vehemently as you oppose women priests and they can site the doctrine to support their assertions as readily as you do.

And like I said, the church has many options. For example, my church is basically run by the parishioners, with the exception of our school and fiances (we pay a principal and a business manager for that). We already have parishioner led counseling ministries (bereavement, divorce, family, etc), RCIA, religious ed, youth ministry, CYA, social justice, etc. With Eucharistic ministers, CCTV masses and happily married deacons to handle baptisms, etc, we really wont need priests for that much. We can pay priests to come in as needed just like we pay for priests to come in when our parish priests are away. Our religion has always taught us that we are the building blocks of our church. Our church isn’t a priest or a building. It’s us. Asking us to take on greater responsibility in our parishes is going to upset those prefer just to show up on Sunday and not be bothered to do more. But for the rest of us, it will be a chance to use our talents for our church community. Ditching parish priests for district priests may be really good for us. It will make us more responsive to and more responsible for our faith. Having less priests in our lives just may make stronger Catholics. This solution will also appease those who oppose married priests and those who oppose women priests for doctrinal reasons.
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This is a sad opinion of priest. I assume that you mean EMHC as Eucharistic Ministers are priest and deacons. You don’t need priest for that much? :confused: You need priest to say Mass changing bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus. That alone is stupendous and hardly should be said “not much”. You also need priest to forgive your sins. Again that is not much? Without these sacraments the parish isn’t much. Having fewer priest in our lives would not make us stronger but weaker. This is no solution. I haven’t ever heard anyone speak out against married priest. The opposite has been my experience.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Luther & the Augsburg Confession referred to the blessed Virgin as second only to Jesus, the Queen of Heaven who prays for the Church. That sounds awfully sacerdotal to me.
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I’ll see your pontification about Luther’s thoughgs, and raise you Luther’s actual thoughts:

Form LW XLI

It is, however, true that the Holy Spirit has excepted women … but chooses only competent males to fill this office, as one reads here and there in the epistles of St. Paul that a bishop must be pious, able to teach, and the husband of one wife …

In summary, it must be a competent and chosen man. Children, women, and other persons are not qualified for this office,… Moses says in Genesis 3, ‘You shall be subject to man.’ The Gospel, however, does not abrogate this natural law, but confirms it as the ordinance and creation of God.”
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Luther & the Augsburg Confession referred to the blessed Virgin as second only to Jesus, the Queen of Heaven who prays for the Church. That sounds awfully sacerdotal to me.
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He is what the Augsburg Confession says about the priesthood:
Article XIV: Of Ecclesiastical Order.
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Of Ecclesiastical Order they teach that no one should publicly teach in the Church or administer the Sacraments unless he be regularly called.
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Luther would be scandalized by the ordination of women, livid that it is being done so near to his name.

Jon
 
Jharek,
Am I right in thinking that the discipline of celibacy is only the case in the Latin Rite, not necessarily in Eastern Catholic churches?

Jon
 
PeopleB4Things said:
Married priests are not as common as you think and it comes with restrictions that are not very conducive to marriage maintenance. Ask around and find out who many members here have married priests in their parishes. Many conservative Catholics oppose converted married priests as vehemently as you oppose women priests and they can site the doctrine to support their assertions as readily as you do.

And like I said, the church has many options. For example, my church is basically run by the parishioners, with the exception of our school and fiances (we pay a principal and a business manager for that). We already have parishioner led counseling ministries (bereavement, divorce, family, etc), RCIA, religious ed, youth ministry, CYA, social justice, etc. With Eucharistic ministers, CCTV masses and happily married deacons to handle baptisms, etc, we really wont need priests for that much. We can pay priests to come in as needed just like we pay for priests to come in when our parish priests are away. Our religion has always taught us that we are the building blocks of our church. Our church isn’t a priest or a building. It’s us. Asking us to take on greater responsibility in our parishes is going to upset those prefer just to show up on Sunday and not be bothered to do more. But for the rest of us, it will be a chance to use our talents for our church community. Ditching parish priests for district priests may be really good for us. It will make us more responsive to and more responsible for our faith. Having less priests in our lives just may make stronger Catholics. This solution will also appease those who oppose married priests and those who oppose women priests for doctrinal reasons.
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Any Catholic who thinks validly ordained married men are not valid priest is as heterodox as those supporting women “priests”. Married priest have always existed, and are completely legitimate.

One may have a preference for celibacy, but one can not deny the legitimacy of the married priesthood.

God Bless
 
JonNC said:
Jharek,
Am I right in thinking that the discipline of celibacy is only the case in the Latin Rite, not necessarily in Eastern Catholic churches?

Jon
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Mostly, yes.

The Eastern and Oriental Christians (Catholic and Orthodox) have traditionally had married parish clergy, and celibate monastics. All the Bishops must be celibate, so, either monastics, or parish priests whose wife has died.

The Latin Church was similar in the first millennium, but gradually began to emphasize universal celibacy for the clergy. Though there have always been exceptions, as there are today with converts.

God Bless
 
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